Would be nice if someone set up an automated build system ...

- Bert -

On 20.09.2010, at 13:01, Hannes Hirzel wrote:

Casey,

may I ask you if it is possible to do a new trunk image? The last one is of August 20th with #10382, the one before is May, 25th, #10160 and now we are at #10529.

Regards Hannes

On 8/20/10, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r@gmail.com wrote:

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Get it here:

http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.2-10382-alpha.zip

Also note that I've left the previous build, Squeak4.2-10160-alpha.zip, in place, just in case anyone finds anything terribly wrong with the new one.

-- Casey Ransberger

Lukas did something very useful IMHO. http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 13:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

Would be nice if someone set up an automated build system ...

• Bert -

On 20.09.2010, at 13:01, Hannes Hirzel wrote:

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Casey,

may I ask you if it is possible to do a new trunk image? The last one is of August 20th with #10382, the one before is May, 25th, #10160 and now we are at #10529.

Regards Hannes

On 8/20/10, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r@gmail.com wrote:

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Get it here:

http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.2-10382-alpha.zip

Also note that I've left the previous build, Squeak4.2-10160-alpha.zip, in place, just in case anyone finds anything terribly wrong with the new one.

-- Casey Ransberger

I did it a few months back (http://hudson.jooshr.org/), but eventually I had to disable the daily building, because I could not maintain it - new updates would invariably somehow cause a build failure.

Due to differences (at the time) in SUnit between Squeak and Pharo, I had to hack up the build scripts and select compatible versions of the automated build code (HudsonBuildTools.mcz). The result today is that it's neither synced up with the latest Pharo build scripts, nor is it able to build the latest Squeak. I'll be sync'ing up to the latest build scripts, shortly, I hope.

If anyone is setting this up, I'd suggest they start with setting up the equivalent of a one-click build for Squeak. You would provide a pre-built image for this build, probably built manually using whatever means are currently used.

You do not need a server to do the build - I run Hudson on my laptop, doing several builds a day sometimes. You can then upload the result to the Squeak download area. For whoever is taking on the build task, it brings consistency and ease.

The next step would be to automate the building of the image from the updates. The scripting is the easy part, the hard part is a "cultural" change in the community. Unless contributors are agreeable to unattended builds (i.e. no UI, or no UI interaction required), the build server will regularly fail to produce a useful build image. During load and test, there can be no user dialogs that pop up that require a button press.

Alex,

any news on this issue?

You wrote last Monday that you have hudson (http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Meet+Hudson) up an running on your local machine?

Do you have a configuration to build a trunk image?

I assume that some people would like to try it out as well.....

Regards --Hannes

On 9/20/10, Alexander Lazarević laza@blobworks.com wrote:

Yanni,

thanks for the valuable hints. I have hudson up and running. Now I try to follow Lukas and your instructions hopefully with first results by the end of the week.

Thanks, Alex

2010/9/20 Yanni Chiu yanni@rogers.com:

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I did it a few months back (http://hudson.jooshr.org/), but eventually I had to disable the daily building, because I could not maintain it - new updates would invariably somehow cause a build failure.

Due to differences (at the time) in SUnit between Squeak and Pharo, I had to hack up the build scripts and select compatible versions of the automated build code (HudsonBuildTools.mcz). The result today is that it's neither synced up with the latest Pharo build scripts, nor is it able to build the latest Squeak. I'll be sync'ing up to the latest build scripts, shortly, I hope.

If anyone is setting this up, I'd suggest they start with setting up the equivalent of a one-click build for Squeak. You would provide a pre-built image for this build, probably built manually using whatever means are currently used.

You do not need a server to do the build - I run Hudson on my laptop, doing several builds a day sometimes. You can then upload the result to the Squeak download area. For whoever is taking on the build task, it brings consistency and ease.

The next step would be to automate the building of the image from the updates. The scripting is the easy part, the hard part is a "cultural" change in the community. Unless contributors are agreeable to unattended builds (i.e. no UI, or no UI interaction required), the build server will regularly fail to produce a useful build image. During load and test, there can be no user dialogs that pop up that require a button press.

-- Yanni

Bert Freudenberg wrote:

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Right. Someone just needs to Do It :)

• Bert -

On 20.09.2010, at 14:28, Enrico Spinielli wrote:

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Lukas did something very useful IMHO. http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 13:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

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Would be nice if someone set up an automated build system ...

• Bert -

On 20.09.2010, at 13:01, Hannes Hirzel wrote:

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Casey,

may I ask you if it is possible to do a new trunk image? The last one is of August 20th with #10382, the one before is May, 25th, #10160 and now we are at #10529.

Regards Hannes

On 8/20/10, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r@gmail.com wrote: > > Get it here: > > http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.2-10382-alpha.zip > > Also note that I've left the previous build, > Squeak4.2-10160-alpha.zip, in > place, just in case anyone finds anything terribly wrong with the new > one. > > -- > Casey Ransberger >

-- Enrico Spinielli "Do Androids dream of electric sheep?"— Philip K. Dick "Hear and forget; see and remember;do and understand."—Mitchel Resnick

At least some progress :)

Build #5 was triggered by my commit to the repository, but it failed because of a data timeout. It is pretty slick to trigger a build only if there is a commit, but the URL-Trigger on the squeak source repository acts immediately if there is a change and so the build might start while there are some commits still in progress. I guess a scheduled daily build would be a little more robust choice.

Next thing I will have a look at, as time permits, is how to run the tests.

Alex

2010/9/28 Alexander Lazarević laza@blobworks.com:

Hannes,

up to now I only had time to install the hudson server (on a virtual machine) and to look/run the examples provided by Lukas. Next I'm trying to convert the script that I had to automatically update a Squeak image (without hudson) into some script that can be used in combination hudson.

Alex

2010/9/27 Hannes Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com:

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Alex,

any news on this issue?

You wrote last Monday that you have hudson (http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Meet+Hudson) up an running on your local machine?

Do you have a configuration to build a trunk image?

I assume that some people would like to try it out as well.....

Regards --Hannes

On 9/20/10, Alexander Lazarević laza@blobworks.com wrote:

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Yanni,

thanks for the valuable hints. I have hudson up and running. Now I try to follow Lukas and your instructions hopefully with first results by the end of the week.

Thanks,  Alex

2010/9/20 Yanni Chiu yanni@rogers.com:

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I did it a few months back (http://hudson.jooshr.org/), but eventually I had to disable the daily building, because I could not maintain it - new updates would invariably somehow cause a build failure.

Due to differences (at the time) in SUnit between Squeak and Pharo, I had to hack up the build scripts and select compatible versions of the automated build code (HudsonBuildTools.mcz). The result today is that it's neither synced up with the latest Pharo build scripts, nor is it able to build the latest Squeak. I'll be sync'ing up to the latest build scripts, shortly, I hope.

If anyone is setting this up, I'd suggest they start with setting up the equivalent of a one-click build for Squeak. You would provide a pre-built image for this build, probably built manually using whatever means are currently used.

You do not need a server to do the build - I run Hudson on my laptop, doing several builds a day sometimes. You can then upload the result to the Squeak download area. For whoever is taking on the build task, it brings consistency and ease.

The next step would be to automate the building of the image from the updates. The scripting is the easy part, the hard part is a "cultural" change in the community. Unless contributors are agreeable to unattended builds (i.e. no UI, or no UI interaction required), the build server will regularly fail to produce a useful build image. During load and test, there can be no user dialogs that pop up that require a button press.

-- Yanni

Bert Freudenberg wrote:

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Right. Someone just needs to Do It :)

• Bert -

On 20.09.2010, at 14:28, Enrico Spinielli wrote:

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Lukas did something very useful IMHO. http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 13:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote: > > Would be nice if someone set up an automated build system ... > > - Bert - > > On 20.09.2010, at 13:01, Hannes Hirzel wrote: > >> Casey, >> >> may I ask you if it is possible to do a new trunk image? The last one >> is of August 20th with #10382, the one before is May, 25th, #10160 and >> now we are at #10529. >> >> Regards >> Hannes >> >> On 8/20/10, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Get it here: >>> >>> http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.2-10382-alpha.zip >>> >>> Also note that I've left the previous build, >>> Squeak4.2-10160-alpha.zip, in >>> place, just in case anyone finds anything terribly wrong with the new >>> one. >>> >>> -- >>> Casey Ransberger >>> > >

-- Enrico Spinielli "Do Androids dream of electric sheep?"— Philip K. Dick "Hear and forget; see and remember;do and understand."—Mitchel Resnick

Ok, there you go. Testresults are in. Haven't looked at the lint stuff yet. But I guess it would be ok if this moves from my laptop to some squeak server. This is if there are plans to have a 4.2 at all ...

Alex

2010/9/28 Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de:

On 28.09.2010, at 18:03, Alexander Lazarević wrote:

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At least some progress :)

Build #5 was triggered by my commit to the repository, but it failed because of a data timeout.

Well, nice progress anyway :)

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It is pretty slick to trigger a build only if there is a commit, but the URL-Trigger on the squeak source repository acts immediately if there is a change and so the build might start while there are some commits still in progress. I guess a scheduled daily build would be a little more robust choice.

Daily would be sufficient I think. Or start a build when there was no commit within, say, 30 minutes.

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Next thing I will have a look at, as time permits, is how to run the tests.

Way to go!

• Bert -

Lukas Renggli and Yanni Chiu did all the work to build a very flexible framework and to provide good documentation. For me it was just a matter of seeing how the bits and pieces work together and write some Squeak specific scripts.

See:

Yannis Hudson Server at http://hudson.jooshr.org Lukas Hudson Server at http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch Sources and Doku at http://github.com/renggli/builder (MagLev seems to be using it too http://github.com/MagLev/builder)

When I get knack out of github I will try to fork and upload the few changes I made

Alex

2010/9/29 Enrico Spinielli enrico.spinielli@googlemail.com:

Very well done! Bravo! Bye Enrico

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 06:08, Alexander Lazarević laza@blobworks.com wrote:

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Ok, there you go. Testresults are in. Haven't looked at the lint stuff yet. But I guess it would be ok if this moves from my laptop to some squeak server. This is if there are plans to have a 4.2 at all ...

Alex

2010/9/28 Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de:

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On 28.09.2010, at 18:03, Alexander Lazarević wrote:

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At least some progress :)

Build #5 was triggered by my commit to the repository, but it failed because of a data timeout.

Well, nice progress anyway :)

...

It is pretty slick to trigger a build only if there is a commit, but the URL-Trigger on the squeak source repository acts immediately if there is a change and so the build might start while there are some commits still in progress. I guess a scheduled daily build would be a little more robust choice.

Daily would be sufficient I think. Or start a build when there was no commit within, say, 30 minutes.

...

Next thing I will have a look at, as time permits, is how to run the tests.

Way to go!

• Bert -

-- Enrico Spinielli "Do Androids dream of electric sheep?"— Philip K. Dick "Hear and forget; see and remember;do and understand."—Mitchel Resnick

Please do.

- Bert -

On 20.09.2010, at 14:29, Alexander Lazarević wrote:

We could (as in "I could help to") adapt the scripts for a hudson build server that Lukas and others have written for building pharo and seaside images?!

Alex

2010/9/20 Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de:

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Would be nice if someone set up an automated build system ...

• Bert -

On 20.09.2010, at 13:01, Hannes Hirzel wrote:

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Casey,

may I ask you if it is possible to do a new trunk image? The last one is of August 20th with #10382, the one before is May, 25th, #10160 and now we are at #10529.

Regards Hannes

On 8/20/10, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r@gmail.com wrote:

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Get it here:

http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.2-10382-alpha.zip

Also note that I've left the previous build, Squeak4.2-10160-alpha.zip, in place, just in case anyone finds anything terribly wrong with the new one.

-- Casey Ransberger

It's possible:)

Not sure how much time I'll have tonight, but I'll cut one if I can.

On Sep 20, 2010, at 4:01 AM, Hannes Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:

Casey,

may I ask you if it is possible to do a new trunk image? The last one is of August 20th with #10382, the one before is May, 25th, #10160 and now we are at #10529.

Regards Hannes

On 8/20/10, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r@gmail.com wrote:

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Get it here:

http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.2-10382-alpha.zip

Also note that I've left the previous build, Squeak4.2-10160-alpha.zip, in place, just in case anyone finds anything terribly wrong with the new one.

-- Casey Ransberger