Doug Way wrote:
Cool. Still, the problem remains that most people will go look at the out-of-date one on www.squeak.org. Maybe that one could point to the Swiki instead. (on the other hand, sometimes it's nice to have a more stable tutorial maintained on a non-Swiki page... but then again, if it's not maintained... :) )
Exactly! I volunteer to correct things like these that are brought up on the list, if someone gives me an account.
Speaking of the Swiki, is the new look related to it moving to a Linux box, or is it still running on a Mac? Also, I tried to edit the tutorial page that Joern copied, and it wouldn't let me edit the text, but there was no indication that it was read-only. Are certain colored pages read-only?
when I try to telnet to minnow, it says it's an i686 running Read Hat 7.1.
I also had the problem that Netscape (4.7 Win32) wouldn't let me edit it. It seems it is limited to 30000 characters in the text edit box, and the tutorial is slightly larger. IE (5.5) doesn't have that problem (and lets you search for text in the edit box...)
Joern Eyrich wrote:
I also had the problem that Netscape (4.7 Win32) wouldn't let me edit it. It seems it is limited to 30000 characters in the text edit box, and the tutorial is slightly larger. IE (5.5) doesn't have that problem (and lets you search for text in the edit box...)
Thanks, that was the problem. The Swiki seems to be running well on Linux, so far!
Doug Way wrote:
Cool. Still, the problem remains that most people will go look at the out-of-date one on www.squeak.org. Maybe that one could point to the Swiki instead. (on the other hand, sometimes it's nice to have a more stable tutorial maintained on a non-Swiki page... but then again, if it's not maintained... :) )
Exactly! I volunteer to correct things like these that are brought up on the list, if someone gives me an account.
Sounds good to me, although I'm not in charge of the site. ;)
- Doug Way dway@riskmetrics.com
On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Doug Way wrote:
Joern Eyrich wrote:
I also had the problem that Netscape (4.7 Win32) wouldn't let me edit it. It seems it is limited to 30000 characters in the text edit box, and the tutorial is slightly larger. IE (5.5) doesn't have that problem (and lets you search for text in the edit box...)
Thanks, that was the problem. The Swiki seems to be running well on Linux, so far!
Doug Way wrote:
Cool. Still, the problem remains that most people will go look at the out-of-date one on www.squeak.org. Maybe that one could point to the Swiki instead. (on the other hand, sometimes it's nice to have a more stable tutorial maintained on a non-Swiki page... but then again, if it's not maintained... :) )
Exactly! I volunteer to correct things like these that are brought up on the list, if someone gives me an account.
Sounds good to me, although I'm not in charge of the site. ;)
One point to consider is that people buying Mark Guzdial's book as the first entrance into Squeak will be using 2.8 since that is the version included on the CD. It might be good to leave the BankAccount tutorial as it is with a notation that it is 2.8 specific and have a pointer to the newer version.
R.
Rosemary Michelle Simpson wrote:
One point to consider is that people buying Mark Guzdial's book as the first entrance into Squeak will be using 2.8 since that is the version included on the CD. It might be good to leave the BankAccount tutorial as it is with a notation that it is 2.8 specific and have a pointer to the newer version.
This seems a good compromise, but I wonder if people go to Mark's book because of Squeak or to Squeak because of Mark's book?
Also, now that Mark's book has finally made it to these far off shores (on order for nearly 3 months!) how much of it is 2.8 specific? [Brow furrows while trying to work out how to have two different versions of Squeak living in happy harmony on the same system. Decides to go back to bed instead.]
Cheers
John
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, John Hinsley wrote:
This seems a good compromise, but I wonder if people go to Mark's book because of Squeak or to Squeak because of Mark's book?
I bought Mark's book because of squeak. However, friends who don't squeak have shown interest in buying/borrowing the book, so their introduction would be through Mark. However, we are discussing a tutorial seperate from that book, so if people can get to the tutorial, then they should be able to also upgrade their squeak.
-- Joshua Boyd
On Saturday, June 30, 2001, at 10:11 AM, John Hinsley wrote:
Also, now that Mark's book has finally made it to these far off shores (on order for nearly 3 months!) how much of it is 2.8 specific? [Brow furrows while trying to work out how to have two different versions of Squeak living in happy harmony on the same system. Decides to go back to bed instead.]
Actually, it's very easy to have more than one version of Squeak living in harmony on your system. Heck, I probably have about 50 versions of Squeak sitting on my hard drive, ranging from Squeak 2.2 to 3.1alpha. (I guess that would be 50 .image/.changes combos, but probably only 7 or 8 VM's.)
A nice thing about Squeak is that each .image/.changes pair is a standalone environment which doesn't interfere with other images. You can even run more than one version of Squeak at the same time... I need to do this on occasion. (Contrast this with, say, VisualAge/Java, with which it isn't possible to run more than one version at a time.)
Anyway, you can always keep your 2.8 and 3.0 versions of Squeak in separate directories, so that you don't intermingle changesets that belong to one or the other.
- Doug Way dway@riskmetrics.com
doug way wrote:
Anyway, you can always keep your 2.8 and 3.0 versions of Squeak in separate directories, so that you don't intermingle changesets that belong to one or the other.
Yes, so I delete the squeak in /usr/local/bin (or wherever) create 2 directories (Squeak_3.1) and (Squeak_2.8) and plonk all the stuff relevant to each in each and call them "from" their own directories. I can probably find an icon to represent "old" Squeak and "new" Squeak too. That all makes sense (must remember not to do "make install"!).
But I'll see how the code gets on with 3.1 first. ;-)
Cheers
John
Rosemary Michelle Simpson wrote:
One point to consider is that people buying Mark Guzdial's book as the first entrance into Squeak will be using 2.8 since that is the version included on the CD. It might be good to leave the BankAccount tutorial as it is with a notation that it is 2.8 specific and have a pointer to the newer version.
Good Point. I have added a note for 2.8 users to the swiki version.
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