anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
nicolai
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
frank
nicolai
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
If I only knew how. I can only open reports and add notes.
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
frank
nicolai
2015-09-11 12:20 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de:
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
If I only knew how. I can only open reports and add notes.
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
BTW, we need a 5.0 for the "Product Version" ( Bugtracker->Report Issue -> Enter report details
frank
nicolai
On 11 September 2015 at 11:20, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
If I only knew how. I can only open reports and add notes.
You're now an Updater :) Let's see if that's sufficient. If not, let me know.
Also, thanks for the heads-up re versions; I've added a 4.5 and a 5.0.
(Broader note: if adding a new version to bugs.squeak.org isn't part of the documented release process, it should be.)
frank
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
frank
nicolai
2015-09-11 14:27 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 11:20, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
If I only knew how. I can only open reports and add notes.
You're now an Updater :) Let's see if that's sufficient. If not, let me know.
I can only update and close issues for the "Squeak" project, but I added some issues (some time ago) for others too (squeak website/squeak packages/VM)
Can I become an updater for those projects too or should I mail the persons mainting that projects ?
nicolai
Also, thanks for the heads-up re versions; I've added a 4.5 and a 5.0.
(Broader note: if adding a new version to bugs.squeak.org isn't part of the documented release process, it should be.)
frank
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
frank
nicolai
On 13 September 2015 at 20:42, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
2015-09-11 14:27 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 11:20, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
If I only knew how. I can only open reports and add notes.
You're now an Updater :) Let's see if that's sufficient. If not, let me know.
I can only update and close issues for the "Squeak" project, but I added some issues (some time ago) for others too (squeak website/squeak packages/VM)
Can I become an updater for those projects too or should I mail the persons mainting that projects ?
All VM stuff _should_ be under the Squeak project. There are "Squeak Website" and "Squeak Packages" projects, but I have no idea how much they're used. I'm only a reporter on the projects anyway, so mailing people's your best bet.
frank
nicolai
Also, thanks for the heads-up re versions; I've added a 4.5 and a 5.0.
(Broader note: if adding a new version to bugs.squeak.org isn't part of the documented release process, it should be.)
frank
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
frank
nicolai
2015-09-14 12:01 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 13 September 2015 at 20:42, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
2015-09-11 14:27 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 11:20, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de
wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
If I only knew how. I can only open reports and add notes.
You're now an Updater :) Let's see if that's sufficient. If not, let me know.
I can only update and close issues for the "Squeak" project, but I added some issues (some time ago) for others too (squeak website/squeak packages/VM)
Can I become an updater for those projects too or should I mail the
persons
mainting that projects ?
All VM stuff _should_ be under the Squeak project.
Ah, you are right. I can update the state of Squeak/VM-Issues
frank
nicolai
Also, thanks for the heads-up re versions; I've added a 4.5 and a 5.0.
(Broader note: if adding a new version to bugs.squeak.org isn't part of the documented release process, it should be.)
frank
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
frank
nicolai
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
Ok, but maybe I will send the reports to the ML as well. The last time I reported some issues on the bugtracker for the upcoming releases, they didn't not get much attentions. There were some issues reported for the 4.3 and 4.4 release and they are outdated now, as I am an "updater" now, I can close those myself, but two issues are reported for project "squeak website", can someone else close this issues please.
Some time after the 4.4 (or 4.5?) release, I asked several times on the ML for the release plan for the VM, because I had some serious problems with getting FFI to work with the included VM (it was quite old), but I got no responds. And as the prerelease for 4.6 was announced, I asked if it has a squeak vm release candidate too, but again, I got no response. Is the Squeak release always only about the image?
frank
nicolai
On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 10:51:20PM +0200, Nicolai Hess wrote:
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
Ok, but maybe I will send the reports to the ML as well. The last time I reported some issues on the bugtracker for the upcoming releases, they didn't not get much attentions.
I think you are right to do that. The bug tracker is important for issues that may not be easily resolved, or that may require the cooperation of several people for resolution. FFI problems tend to be like this, so documenting them on the bug tracker may be helpful both for you and for other people who encounter these issues.
Reporting issues on the mailing lists is also good, especially if discussion is needed.
So for issues such as FFI problems: Document this issue as well as you can on the bug tracker, and take it to the mailing list for discussion. Exactly as you have been doing.
There were some issues reported for the 4.3 and 4.4 release and they are outdated now, as I am an "updater" now, I can close those myself, but two issues are reported for project "squeak website", can someone else close this issues please.
Some time after the 4.4 (or 4.5?) release, I asked several times on the ML for the release plan for the VM, because I had some serious problems with getting FFI to work with the included VM (it was quite old), but I got no responds. And as the prerelease for 4.6 was announced, I asked if it has a squeak vm release candidate too, but again, I got no response. Is the Squeak release always only about the image?
As a general rule, yes. But in the case of Squeak 4.6/5.0, definitely no.
Usually, a Squeak image should run on a range of VMs, and conversely, a VM is expected to be able to run a wide range of images.
The Squeak 4.6 and 5.0 releases are different. Here we are making significant change to the actual object formats in the Squeak image, along with major changes in the VMs that take advantage of the new format. This requires a coordinated release of image and VM. You may expect additional changes of this nature as Squeak moves toward 64-bit images and VMs, so for perhaps the next year or so we should expect close coupling of released images with compatible VMs. Maybe after that we will settle back into a cadence in which image releases are relatively independent of VM versions.
Dave
On Sep 12, 2015, at 3:29 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 10:51:20PM +0200, Nicolai Hess wrote: 2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote: anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
Ok, but maybe I will send the reports to the ML as well. The last time I reported some issues on the bugtracker for the upcoming releases, they didn't not get much attentions.
I think you are right to do that. The bug tracker is important for issues that may not be easily resolved, or that may require the cooperation of several people for resolution. FFI problems tend to be like this, so documenting them on the bug tracker may be helpful both for you and for other people who encounter these issues.
Reporting issues on the mailing lists is also good, especially if discussion is needed.
So for issues such as FFI problems: Document this issue as well as you can on the bug tracker, and take it to the mailing list for discussion. Exactly as you have been doing.
+1, but the most important thing for me is a reproducible case, preferably an image that exhibits the bug in startup without needing my intervention (selecting doit etc). And it's nice to have the platform mentioned somewhere obvious.
There were some issues reported for the 4.3 and 4.4 release and they are outdated now, as I am an "updater" now, I can close those myself, but two issues are reported for project "squeak website", can someone else close this issues please.
Some time after the 4.4 (or 4.5?) release, I asked several times on the ML for the release plan for the VM, because I had some serious problems with getting FFI to work with the included VM (it was quite old), but I got no responds. And as the prerelease for 4.6 was announced, I asked if it has a squeak vm release candidate too, but again, I got no response. Is the Squeak release always only about the image?
As a general rule, yes. But in the case of Squeak 4.6/5.0, definitely no.
Usually, a Squeak image should run on a range of VMs, and conversely, a VM is expected to be able to run a wide range of images.
The Squeak 4.6 and 5.0 releases are different. Here we are making significant change to the actual object formats in the Squeak image, along with major changes in the VMs that take advantage of the new format. This requires a coordinated release of image and VM. You may expect additional changes of this nature as Squeak moves toward 64-bit images and VMs, so for perhaps the next year or so we should expect close coupling of released images with compatible VMs. Maybe after that we will settle back into a cadence in which image releases are relatively independent of VM versions.
+1. I think it's going to take a good few months for Spur to settle down. For example, properly fixing image segment loading just took a reworking of the segment load primitive to alter the segment word array so it answers the objects loaded. A number of new facilities (ephemerons, pinning) may cause a bug tail when people start really using them. It may be wise to plan on a maintenance release, say 5.1, which will aim to be more stable.
Dave
Hi Nicolai,
On Sep 12, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
2015-09-11 11:06 GMT+02:00 Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 11 September 2015 at 09:38, Nicolai Hess nicolaihess@web.de wrote:
anyone maintaining the bugtracker entries? I would like to close some issues (reported by me).
Feel free to do so!
btw should I continue reporting bugs to the bugtracker, or should I use the ML only?
Please do continue to report issues to the bugtracker.
Ok, but maybe I will send the reports to the ML as well. The last time I reported some issues on the bugtracker for the upcoming releases, they didn't not get much attentions. There were some issues reported for the 4.3 and 4.4 release and they are outdated now, as I am an "updater" now, I can close those myself, but two issues are reported for project "squeak website", can someone else close this issues please.
Some time after the 4.4 (or 4.5?) release, I asked several times on the ML for the release plan for the VM, because I had some serious problems with getting FFI to work with the included VM (it was quite old), but I got no responds.
I don't remember any traffic on vm-dev asking for this.
And as the prerelease for 4.6 was announced, I asked if it has a squeak vm release candidate too, but again, I got no response. Is the Squeak release always only about the image?
On the contrary. This release, we released the Spur VM (squeak v5) which has a brand new object representation never before used in any system, and providing much better performance. The VM also includes SSL plugins compiled by Tobias Pape that are statically-linked against their cryptographic libraries.
frank
nicolai
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