Hi Jecel,
on Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:48:05 +0100, you wrote:
Guy Bloomfield wrote on Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:30:14 +1300
- A functional issue - The ideal Squeak would have Etoys Morphic in
the image and these could be unloaded by the experienced programmer who wants to "Run light without overbyte" whereas the neophyte can enjoy them out of the box
This is a plan that is practical and which I fully support: if we can unload eToys but not load it back, then let's just include eToys in the full image that we distribute and allow everyone the one way option of removing it.
Let me try and reformulate your plan with two set operators (- "minus" and + "plus")
Squeak - "Pavel's" (Etoys + Morphic) + "Juan's" Morphic = (Squeak - Etoys)
If there'd be strong support for Pavel *and* for Juan then dreams would come true.
/Klaus
I don't mind at all eliminating the Flash logo, the welcome windows and other stuff every time I begin working with a newly downloaded image. The fact that I can't get any of these easily back if I want has never been a problem since I could just start over from a clean image.
Sure, a reloadable eToys would be even better but I doubt it will happen.
-- Jecel
Klaus D. Witzel wrote on Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:58:57 +0100
This is a plan that is practical and which I fully support: if we can unload eToys but not load it back, then let's just include eToys in the full image that we distribute and allow everyone the one way option of removing it.
Let me try and reformulate your plan with two set operators (- "minus" and
- "plus")
Squeak - "Pavel's" (Etoys + Morphic) + "Juan's" Morphic = (Squeak - Etoys)
If there'd be strong support for Pavel *and* for Juan then dreams would come true.
This is a different plan. In fact, in many ways it is the opposite of Guy's plan I was endorsing.
Juan Vuletich wrote on Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:11:45 -0300 (ART):
What I propose can be done. I did it for 3.7. You can download it from http://www.jvuletich.org/Squeak/EToysFreeMorphic/EtoysFreeMorphic.html . I believe Pavel did something similar (although I haven't looked at it.
So to express the plan I am talking about in your notation:
Squeak3.10 - Juan's 3.7 work updated for 3.10 = Squeak3.10 - EToys
The difference is that this would be an operation that could be automated, so that we could distribute "Squeak 3.10 Full" and each interested person could call up a menu option and generate the EToyless image as needed. I am supposing that the plan you described would be a one time thing (since the Morphic being removed and the Morphic being added back are not the same) . It might be a bit subtle, since I am perfectly ok with having a "Squeak 3.10 Basic" image that doesn't include EToys. What I don't want to see happen is a version with no EToys options at all.
-- Jecel
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