Hello,
I've been making a simple web site of collection of Alan Kay talks (and other materials in the future).
http://tinlizzie.org/IA/index.php/Talks_by_Alan_Kay
For three of those movies, I cleaned up the transcript, put annotation. and inserted the original visual material. For example, his Turing Award Lecture, he used Squeak and Croquet. I recreated the demo by using those old images and inserted it to the movie of the talk.
http://tinlizzie.org/IA/index.php/Alan_Kay_Turing_Award_Lecture_(2004)
For others talks, we have machine generated transcript but they are not quite comprehensible. But the good news is that the site is Wiki; so if you are willing to help us, you can edit the site! For now, I'd think that we'd focus on cleaning up transcript and then some of us can put annotations after that. If some of you take time to help us, that would be really great!
Over time, we'd like to have other contents such as papers, related materials, and actual runnable demos. I don't think SqueakJS can run Alan's flagship images that are over 100MB, and even if it did, Etoys is not quite fast enough. For some time, he used a system called Frank, which is hosted in a Squeak environment but used its own special graphics system. That does not run in browsers. If you have some suggestions how to make things available, please let me know.
Besides that, if you have suggestions on possible organizations, please also let me know. For example, as we get more talks cleaned up, we can cross link them by topics and themes, etc. As a start, I put some effort on the site so that when you click on the transcript, the movie jumps to the part; I could imagine to have some different UI there to be able to jump to different contents; but it is not clear to me until we have some more movies.
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
For example, his Turing Award Lecture, he used Squeak and Croquet. I recreated the demo by using those old images and inserted it to the movie of the talk.
Wow, thanks! Any possibility those images (and ideally VMs) could be made available alongside the videos?
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On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
For example, his Turing Award Lecture, he used Squeak and Croquet. I recreated the demo by using those old images and inserted it to the movie of the talk.
Wow, thanks! Any possibility those images (and ideally VMs) could be made available alongside the videos?
We will do that. I think it would be good to do a bit of clean up, and put the "Thread" of the talk. I'll do that hopefully by the end of year...
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
We will do that.
Yay! One step closer to "It Should Be Active, But Where (and When) Will It Be?".
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On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
We will do that.
Yay! One step closer to "It Should Be Active, But Where (and When) Will It Be?".
I'll be away from my computer sometime in next a few days but I'll try to clean up the image soon. If that happens, it'll be on tinlizzie.org.
For now, a bit of cleaned up image for the Turing Award talk is available here:
I did not do the best job of cleaning up the image, but if you know how hard it was to delete a project from one of those old images, you understand...
http://tinlizzie.org/~ohshima/IA-OOPSLA2004.zip
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima Yoshiki.Ohshima@acm.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
We will do that.
Yay! One step closer to "It Should Be Active, But Where (and When) Will It Be?".
I'll be away from my computer sometime in next a few days but I'll try to clean up the image soon. If that happens, it'll be on tinlizzie.org.
-- -- Yoshiki
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
For now, a bit of cleaned up image for the Turing Award talk is available here:
Cooool! Thanks. On Mac, I was able to run with a "Squeak 4.2.3beta1U" VM
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Sean P. DeNigris wrote on Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:59:31 -0700 (MST)
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
For now, a bit of cleaned up image for the Turing Award talk is available here:
Cooool! Thanks. On Mac, I was able to run with a "Squeak 4.2.3beta1U" VM
Thanks, Yoshiki, for releasing this! It works just fine on the Linux 32 bit 4.16.3-3759 VM.
-- Jecel
On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 04:42:04PM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
Sean P. DeNigris wrote on Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:59:31 -0700 (MST)
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
For now, a bit of cleaned up image for the Turing Award talk is available here:
Cooool! Thanks. On Mac, I was able to run with a "Squeak 4.2.3beta1U" VM
Thanks, Yoshiki, for releasing this! It works just fine on the Linux 32 bit 4.16.3-3759 VM.
-- Jecel
Also fine on 64-bit Linux of course (no need for 32-bit libraries).
It's nice to see a "powerpoint" that is alive and real, it's much more convincing that way :-)
Dave
Sean, Jecel and David,
Thank you for testing! I do have the Sketchpad movie. I should stick that into the movie.
On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 1:20 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 04:42:04PM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
Sean P. DeNigris wrote on Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:59:31 -0700 (MST)
Yoshiki Ohshima-3 wrote
For now, a bit of cleaned up image for the Turing Award talk is available here:
Cooool! Thanks. On Mac, I was able to run with a "Squeak 4.2.3beta1U" VM
Thanks, Yoshiki, for releasing this! It works just fine on the Linux 32 bit 4.16.3-3759 VM.
-- Jecel
Also fine on 64-bit Linux of course (no need for 32-bit libraries).
It's nice to see a "powerpoint" that is alive and real, it's much more convincing that way :-)
Dave
Yoshiki,
I've been making a simple web site of collection of Alan Kay talks (and other materials in the future).
This is an extremely valuable contribution - thanks for doing that and for posting so much material to YouTube! I haven't updated my own list of talks since 2013:
http://www.smalltalk.org.br/movies/
Would it be ok if I add a link to your page at the top of mine?
Some people who I would like to point out these talks to don't have enough fluency in English to enjoy them. Subtitles in their language would be an interesting option. We did that for the "Squeakers" DVD where having the English transcript made it relatively easy for me to translate it into Portuguese, for example. Creating the transcript in the first place and setting the timing information is what takes up the most effort.
-- Jecel
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. jecel@merlintec.com wrote:
Yoshiki,
I've been making a simple web site of collection of Alan Kay talks (and other materials in the future).
This is an extremely valuable contribution - thanks for doing that and for posting so much material to YouTube! I haven't updated my own list of talks since 2013:
http://www.smalltalk.org.br/movies/
Would it be ok if I add a link to your page at the top of mine?
Absolutely. And I should look through your list.
Some people who I would like to point out these talks to don't have enough fluency in English to enjoy them. Subtitles in their language would be an interesting option. We did that for the "Squeakers" DVD where having the English transcript made it relatively easy for me to translate it into Portuguese, for example. Creating the transcript in the first place and setting the timing information is what takes up the most effort.
Ah... that is definitely right. The wiki currently does not care about the language issue, but Mediawiki is very big about it and I should be able to re-instate the feature.
The way I get the machine generated versions of transcript was to run the movie on YouTube, and run a JS function defined in the console that periodically looked at the caption-window class and append its textContent into the result. It is polling-based whose frequency is 3 seconds. Also Youtube does not put any punctuation nor capitalization so it does not read as sentences. it is an okay starting point but I needed to hand edit it afterwards.
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