Hi
I'm restarting to play with Squeak and I'm really familiar with the mailing-list so here is a list of questions I have:
**I would like to know if there is a way to propose new improvements for the smalltalk kernel.
For example: it could be really good to have an automatic initialization protocol like in Clos, to avoid to have to define everywhere this boring new ^ super new initialize
in CLOS the make-instance method is calling the initialize-instance for ALL the objects in the system. In Smalltalk, we would just have to redefine Behavior>>new to call Object>>initialize. We could let basicNew for emergency purpose.
**I tried several times to get automatic update from the server but I NEVER succeeded. Is there somethign wrong?
**The mailing list is quite buzy. Is there no plans to have a newgroup? I know that some of you think that Squeak is not ready for the mainstream people but this would help people that are interested to communicate more easily.
**Long time ago somebody said that I was starting to port the Refactoring Browser. Is this project still alive? I discussed with John Brant at OOPSLA and he told me that at the refactoring engine level he did not see problems.
**I tried Squeak 2.6 on Unix and I got a lot of error linked with the BallonEngine, while on the mac and PC I got no problem at all.
** The uiuc server is often pretty difficult to obtain. Yesterday for the first time I was able to play with the music (just because I never thought before that I could download another midi file). It could be fun to have a small set of midi file on the Squeak ftp site too.
Stephane DUCASSE (ducasse@iam.unibe.ch) http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
University of Bern, Institut fuer informatik and Mathematik IAM-SCG, 10 neubruckstrasse, CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland.
At 09:56 27.11.99 +0100, Stephane Ducasse wrote:
**I tried several times to get automatic update from the server but I NEVER succeeded. Is there somethign wrong?
Are you behind a firewall? Could be that HTTP requests should go through a proxy. Is your web browser configured to use one? Then you should duplicate your setting in Squeak by evaluating
HTTPSocket useProxyServerNamed: 'proxyAddress' port: proxyPortNumber
I recall this solved a similar problem here.
Also see http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/23.
HTH, Helge
Stephane DUCASSE (ducasse@iam.unibe.ch) wrote:
**I tried Squeak 2.6 on Unix and I got a lot of error linked with the BallonEngine, while on the mac and PC I got no problem at all.
I have also been having a problem with 2.6 for Solaris.
I just downloaded Squeak2.6 to use on a UltraSparc 5, running Solaris 2.6 (hey, the numbers match :)
The VM version is given as:
sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1 2.6 #3 Mon Oct 18 19:26:56 MET DST 1999 gcc egcs-2.91.66 SunOS fricotin.inria.fr 5.5.1 Generic_103640-28 sun4u sparc
However, when I run squeak, a get walkbacks on a primitive failing,
primitive: 'gePrimitiveInitializeBuffer'
(this is a BalloonEngine primitive - morphic pretty much doesn't work)
Swapping the VM for a Squeak2.5 VM works, so something appears to have gone wrong since then.
Is this the behaviour you are seeing?
:) Russell
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russell.allen@firebirdmedia.com
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Hi,
When pretty printing a method containing an instance variable in a block, ie
someMethod | a | a _ [| b | b _ self doSomething. b doSomethingElse].
The instance variable (ie b) is stripped:
someMethod | a | a _ [b _ self doSomething. b doSomethingElse]
which, of course, doesn't work ;)
Russell
---------------------------------------- Russell Allen
russell.allen@firebirdmedia.com
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On Sun 28 Nov, Russell Allen wrote:
Hi,
When pretty printing a method containing an instance variable in a block, ie
someMethod | a | a _ [| b | b _ self doSomething. b doSomethingElse].
The instance variable (ie b) is stripped:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^block temporary!
someMethod | a | a _ [b _ self doSomething. b doSomethingElse]
It's the price of the litle hack that lets you write bocks with temps; there is more stuff to do to make disassembly and debugging work well. Far better to actually get around to proper Closures.
tim
Far better to actually get around to proper Closures.
Tim at: Tim mouth location put: Tim money
(:
-C
-- Craig Latta composer and computer scientist craig.latta@netjam.org www.netjam.org latta@interval.com Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]
On Sun 28 Nov, Craig Latta wrote:
Far better to actually get around to proper Closures.
Tim at: Tim mouth location put: Tim money
Moi? But you've been plotting to do it for so long I can't find a machine that can still read the media upon which the old emails are archived!
tim
Tim at: Tim mouth location put: Tim money
Moi? But you've been plotting to do it for so long I can't find a machine that can still read the media upon which the old emails are archived!
Hey, your *current* machine belongs in a museum. :)
-C
-- Craig Latta composer and computer scientist craig.latta@netjam.org www.netjam.org latta@interval.com Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]
On Sun 28 Nov, Craig Latta wrote:
Far better to actually get around to proper Closures.
Tim at: Tim mouth location put: Tim money
Tim Rowledge rowledge@interval.com replied:
Moi? But you've been plotting to do it for so long I can't find a machine that can still read the media upon which the old emails are archived!
Yes, and who put out the hack without support for decompilation anyway? ;-). Seriously it wouldn't be that hard to decompile.
- D
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On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Russell Allen wrote:
Stephane DUCASSE (ducasse@iam.unibe.ch) wrote:
**I tried Squeak 2.6 on Unix and I got a lot of error linked with the BallonEngine, while on the mac and PC I got no problem at all.
Andreas used some non-ANSI cast operators in the Squeak3D plugin. I'll attach a fixed version. What Unix are you using?
I have also been having a problem with 2.6 for Solaris.
However, when I run squeak, a get walkbacks on a primitive failing,
primitive: 'gePrimitiveInitializeBuffer'
Ian's first version of the 2.6 VM did not load named primitives from the VM itself - but he fixed this hours after the first release. Try to get the sources and compile for yourself, and check for autoconfig warnings ...
-Bert-
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