Yay!

Cheers to all!

Alan

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At 05:24 AM 11/6/2007, Jim Gettys wrote:

On behalf of OLPC and children everywhere, I'd like to take this opportunity to "Thank You All!". - Jim Gettys

On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 14:13 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

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Picture of the first "XO-1" children's laptop coming down Quanta's production line:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:StartOfMP.jpg

And every single machine comes with Squeak/Etoys pre-installed - a big thanks to everyone involved directly and indirectly!

• Bert -

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-- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child

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Hi Alan,

-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:33 AM To: jg@laptop.org; Bert Freudenberg Cc: Squeakland list; etoys; The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: [Etoys] OLPC mass production started

Yay!

Cheers to all!

Alan

I searched for "One Laptop Per Child Hero" and expected to see your name or Negroponte.

To my dismay, Google returned a complete stranger to me, Masi Oka.

Do you know why OLPC appointed Masi Oka, an actor and special effects specialist, as its Global Ambassador to sell its 400US$ "Give One Get One" computers.

Is the campaign "Give One Get One" the hero's idea?

Cheers,

PhiHo.

Yoshiki,

The squeak-dev mailing list traditionally has very high tolerance for posts that are not trying to communicate with other members,

Communication is not an easy thing.

It doesn't matter how loud you are yelling into your walkie-talkie, if the person at the other end doesn't turn on his handset, he won't hear a thing you said.

Communication is a two-way process. Communication also requires some compatibility in perception.

Would the OLPC Global Ambassador uses his mother tongue to market the $399.99 "Give One Get One" computers in North America? He might use (universal) body language or pictures, though.

Communication would be greatly hindered by prejudice.

As a Smalltalker, when you do not understand a message, just simply say that you do not understand instead of judging the other not communicating.

Maybe he is trying to send a message with good intention but you are apparently not capable of understanding it.

but squeakland and etoys are not necessarily like that. Please consider a few minutes before you post.

Actually after I press "Reply all", I did remove a couple of recipients from Alan's original list. I thought that Squeakland and etoys list might benefit from Alan's response. I am not so sure about your response.

...

Do you know why OLPC appointed Masi Oka, an actor and special effects specialist, as its Global Ambassador to sell its 400US$ "Give One Get

One"

...

computers.

Well, because he is well-known among TV-watching people?

Is this what you know or your guess (with the question mark)

BTW, you might want to read the weekly update of OLPC:

http://laptop.media.mit.edu/laptopnews.nsf/latest/news?opendocument=

Thanks for the link.

I watched that "Give One Get One" commercial on youtube.

The announcer looks quite handsome.

At the end, I don't quite understand what is he trying to communicate with the closing phrase "One Laptop At A Time".

For this campaign "Give One Get One", shouldn't it be "Two Lap Top At A Time" because "One For A Child in the developing country" and "One For A Child in your land".

Both of them would get the benefits that he's been touting before that, not?

Did he try to say that out of the 2 laptops that one is paying for, only the one goes to the developing country would bring the child what he is advertising. The laptop goes to the child in North America wouldn't make a difference.

...

Is the campaign "Give One Get One" the hero's idea?

No.

And, please don't waste other people's time with such non-sense.

If the Global Ambassador is responsible for marketing these $399.99 "Give One Get One" computers then it makes perfect sense for him to come up with any strategy that he can think of.

Of course it must be approved but it's still his idea.

On the other hand if he got his job not because of his talents in marketing but just because he is an actor with skills in special effects then it is really non-sense. In Nicholas Negroponte's own words (December 2006):

http://www.olpctalks.com/nicholas_negroponte/negroponte_netevents.html

<QUOTE> Now, one thing you should realize is that there are about 250 people full time on this project, not counting the Linux community. The Linux community I estimate as about 2,000 people, but that's a very funny number, so you should almost ignore that. But, of the 250 people who are working on it, if you want to think of a sales and marketing department, which is kind of an odd concept for a non-profit, but you're looking at it. Okay. I do that all alone. It's not a gang of 50 people that go out and explore markets and sell. This is not that kind of project. It's really very, very different. We don't sell laptops. </QUOTE>

Now he is no longer alone:

http://laptop.media.mit.edu/laptopnews.nsf/latest/news?opendocument=

<QUOTE>

Masi has joined OLPC as our media spokesperson, however, an ill-timed writers' strike precludes Nicholas and Masi doing some of the talk-show appearances that had been envisioned.

</QUOTE>

Is he too busy with other task or is Masi more qualified to handle sales and marketing for OLPC?

What's really the role of the Global Ambassador? Is "media spokesperson" a synonym for "Global Ambassador"? What kind of qualification is needed? Why now suddenly OLPC needs such a role?

I have always thought that OLPC would receive requests from the developing countries (no marketing required) and the only "sales" job is to set a quota for each country and the manufacturer would ship directly to the those countries.

To be honest, I am really confused.

Hence the posting following up Alan's posting in the hope that he can shed more lights on it.

-- Yoshiki

PhiHo.

P.S:

Dear Lists,

I apologize for not putting the tag [OT] so that those of you don't care about OLPC can skip it.

PhiHo

As far as I know, it is not a job. Making PSA usually means that it is done at no charge.

I don't know what to say. To the best of my knowledge there are different kinds of jobs:

1/- Paid jobs (paid with salary, wages, commission...) 2/- Volunteer jobs (not materially compensated) 3/- Paying jobs (one has to pay to accomplish the job oneself)

Paid jobs as Smalltalk programming, consulting, sales, marketing...

Volunteer job is still a job. There is a job to be done for a public service announcer(PSA?) or a volunteer global ambassador (GA). This begs the question, how many volunteered for this GA job?

Now, for the paying job, those who care about ANSI Smalltalk and want to actively shape it, they have to pay to accomplish that job themselves ;-)

There is a "paying job" that almost all of human being sooner or later will have to pay to accomplish it oneself.

Here is an anecdote of an aspect of this job (please be warned of crude words ahead, a lot of F words, viewer's discretion is advised and for adults only):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

At the holiday season, people, even including talent agencies, feel to do some generous activity, such as helping OLPC.

The G1G1 program did change the landscape. Some stuff Nicholas said last year don't apply to the situation now.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/23/business/laptop24.php

-- Yoshiki

Cheers,

PhiHo.

I can't agree more Alan. There is no match for the sincere team work. And I'm pretty sure there are something special in the experience of a team work that prioritizes braincells instead of muscle (not to mention bullets, etc). Without doubt efforts to maintain empowering that priority is virtuous.

cheers !

Sebastian Sastre

-----Mensaje original----- De: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Alan Kay Enviado el: Domingo, 11 de Noviembre de 2007 13:16 Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; 'The general-purpose Squeak developers list' CC: 'Squeakland list'; 'etoys' Asunto: Re: A Hero for One Laptop Per Child (RE: [Etoys] OLPC mass production started)

I would be very disappointed, even appalled, to see my name as a hero here. The notion of a "Hero" seems to be partly built into human nervous systems and is a favorite trope in stories. This idea seriously distorted and masked how Xerox PARC actually worked, for example.

OLPC has been making progress because quite a few talented people decided to take responsibility for different needs of the project. I am very proud of the Viewpoints researchers who really got behind this because they believed in it.

So there are a lot of heros, if that is the word. I think of it more as "there are a lot of enlightened people" and it bodes well for humanity when they decide to take action.

Cheers.

Alan

At 07:42 PM 11/10/2007, SmallSqueak wrote:

...

Hi Alan,

...

-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]

On Behalf Of

...

...

Alan Kay Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:33 AM To: jg@laptop.org; Bert Freudenberg Cc: Squeakland list; etoys; The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: [Etoys] OLPC mass production started

Yay!

Cheers to all!

Alan

I searched for "One Laptop Per Child Hero" and expected to see your name or Negroponte.

To my dismay, Google returned a complete stranger to me, Masi Oka.

Do you know why OLPC appointed Masi Oka, an actor and

special effects

...

specialist, as its Global Ambassador to sell its 400US$

"Give One Get One"

...

computers.

Is the campaign "Give One Get One" the hero's idea?

Cheers,

PhiHo.

I want some of these machines.

Some for my own kids, and some to donate to their school.

How do I get some?

Nevin

Yay!

Cheers to all!

Alan

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At 05:24 AM 11/6/2007, Jim Gettys wrote:

...

On behalf of OLPC and children everywhere, I'd like to take this opportunity to "Thank You All!". - Jim Gettys

On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 14:13 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

...

Picture of the first "XO-1" children's laptop coming down Quanta's production line:

  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:StartOfMP.jpg

And every single machine comes with Squeak/Etoys pre-installed - a big thanks to everyone involved directly and indirectly!

• Bert -

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Etoys mailing list Etoys@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys

-- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child

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Etoys mailing list Etoys@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys

Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:

Nevin,

...

I want some of these machines.

Some for my own kids, and some to donate to their school.

How do I get some?

Sort of a strange question at this point from a tech-savvy, Internet-accessible person like you...

Are you aware of, or talking about, the Give One Get One program? Last time I heard, the donated half go to Uruguay, and you cannot donate to your local school (perhaps unless you are already in Uruguay.)

http://www.xogiving.org/

There are some other ways to get "some", such as Give Many:

http://laptopfoundation.org/participate/givemany.shtml

or become a developer:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program

-- Yoshiki

What age children is the OLPC geared for?

Nevin

Are you aware of, or talking about, the Give One Get One program? Last time I heard, the donated half go to Uruguay, and you cannot donate to your local school (perhaps unless you are already in Uruguay.)

http://www.xogiving.org/

Anyone know if participation in the "Give One Get One" program is tax deductible (even if only by half)?

Nevin

Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:

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Anyone know if participation in the "Give One Get One" program is tax deductible (even if only by half)?

Go to:

http://www.xogiving.org/faq.html

and search the word "tax".

-- Yoshiki

I just ordered 12 of them (on the buy one give one program). They are planned for my kids, as well as Christmas presents for some other kids (relatives). My kid's school will have to wait. :-)

Nevin

There are some other ways to get "some", such as Give Many:

http://laptopfoundation.org/participate/givemany.shtml

I think the following (from the link above) looks interesting:

*******

Give 100+

$200 per laptop

. Donor designates where 60% of laptops are sent; . OLPC sends 40% of the laptops to children in a country of our designation. ***********

This means that for $20,000, I could designate where 60 machines are to be shipped. That way I could allocate some to my kids, and the balance to their school.

My question: if I did this, when could I expect delivery of the 60 machines? Best guess would be wonderful.

Nevin

A colleague of mine is trying to order one (err... a pair ;-)), but it seems that the Give One, Get One program is only geared towards US&Canada?

Dying to get my hands on one...

On Nov 12, 2007 6:15 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki@vpri.org wrote:

Nevin,

...

I want some of these machines.

Some for my own kids, and some to donate to their school.

How do I get some?

Sort of a strange question at this point from a tech-savvy, Internet-accessible person like you...

Are you aware of, or talking about, the Give One Get One program? Last time I heard, the donated half go to Uruguay, and you cannot donate to your local school (perhaps unless you are already in Uruguay.)

http://www.xogiving.org/

There are some other ways to get "some", such as Give Many:

http://laptopfoundation.org/participate/givemany.shtml

or become a developer:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program

-- Yoshiki

Ah. Makes sense.

damn.... :P

On Nov 12, 2007 5:19 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki@vpri.org wrote:

...

A colleague of mine is trying to order one (err... a pair ;-)), but it seems that the Give One, Get One program is only geared towards US&Canada?

Dying to get my hands on one...

What I heard was that to distribute such a unit, you need to get radio device approval and other kind of approval (for instance, the AC and (I think) the battery need government approval in Japan.) It is not as simple as sending units to overseas customers...

-- Yoshiki