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29.04.2010, at 01:07, Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/28/2010 3:38 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 29 April 2010 01:05, Ian Trudelian.trudel@gmail.com wrote:
Squeak is a product but it just happen to be free-of-charge. Having multiple downloads to get Squeak running and going is a major hurdle for newcomers. It will make the curious go away. Curiosity is often not strong enough to be persistent and go through the hurdles. Then it turns in a no sale.
It may not be the most practical approach but it's a hell of a good thing to get newcomers.
Indeed. Easy and fast acquaintance is what a one-click images should serve for. Everything else is secondary and can be explained/uncovered once you hooked in the user.
Given that everyone seems to agree, can someone take a stab for providing such an installation for 4.1? It'd be easy enough to put up on Squeak.org for first-time users.
Cheers,
- Andreas
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
http://ftp.squeak.org/Experiments/Squeak-4.1-All-in-One.zip
- Bert -
On 29 April 2010 12:51, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
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29.04.2010, at 01:07, Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/28/2010 3:38 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 29 April 2010 01:05, Ian Trudelian.trudel@gmail.com wrote:
Squeak is a product but it just happen to be free-of-charge. Having multiple downloads to get Squeak running and going is a major hurdle for newcomers. It will make the curious go away. Curiosity is often not strong enough to be persistent and go through the hurdles. Then it turns in a no sale.
It may not be the most practical approach but it's a hell of a good thing to get newcomers.
Indeed. Easy and fast acquaintance is what a one-click images should serve for. Everything else is secondary and can be explained/uncovered once you hooked in the user.
Given that everyone seems to agree, can someone take a stab for providing such an installation for 4.1? It'd be easy enough to put up on Squeak.org for first-time users.
Cheers, - Andreas
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
Works on my windoze XP!
- Bert -
On 04/29/2010 12:27 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 29 April 2010 12:51, Bert Freudenbergbert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
Works on my windoze XP!
Worked fine as in sure-double-click-fired-it-up-indeed on my Xubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala).
regards, Göran
On 29.04.2010, at 14:03, Göran Krampe wrote:
On 04/29/2010 12:27 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 29 April 2010 12:51, Bert Freudenbergbert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
Works on my windoze XP!
Worked fine as in sure-double-click-fired-it-up-indeed on my Xubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala).
regards, Göran
Neat, thanks for testing. Now we just need independent confirmation it works on Mac, too. If so, should I move it to the official 4.1 download directory?
Might be good to put a little README.txt inside, just to spell out which file to double-click. If someone writes a little blurb I'll update the zip.
Also, we could add more VMs if people provide them, though these three should go a long way. Not sure what to do about 64 bit Linux, maybe just tweak the script to run the 32 bit version anyway?
- Bert -
works fine on a Mac with Leopard at least
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Subject Re: [squeak-dev] Squeak All-in-One
On 29.04.2010, at 14:03, Göran Krampe wrote:
On 04/29/2010 12:27 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 29 April 2010 12:51, Bert Freudenbergbert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't
call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but
chances are it works on Windows, too:
Works on my windoze XP!
Worked fine as in sure-double-click-fired-it-up-indeed on my Xubuntu
9.10 (Karmic Koala).
regards, Göran
Neat, thanks for testing. Now we just need independent confirmation it works on Mac, too. If so, should I move it to the official 4.1 download directory?
Might be good to put a little README.txt inside, just to spell out which file to double-click. If someone writes a little blurb I'll update the zip.
Also, we could add more VMs if people provide them, though these three should go a long way. Not sure what to do about 64 bit Linux, maybe just tweak the script to run the 32 bit version anyway?
- Bert -
Am 29.04.2010 um 14:13 schrieb Bert Freudenberg:
On 29.04.2010, at 14:03, Göran Krampe wrote:
On 04/29/2010 12:27 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 29 April 2010 12:51, Bert Freudenbergbert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
Works on my windoze XP!
Worked fine as in sure-double-click-fired-it-up-indeed on my Xubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala).
regards, Göran
Neat, thanks for testing. Now we just need independent confirmation it works on Mac, too.
It does on SnowLeopard 10.6.2
Markus
If so, should I move it to the official 4.1 download directory?
Might be good to put a little README.txt inside, just to spell out which file to double-click. If someone writes a little blurb I'll update the zip.
Also, we could add more VMs if people provide them, though these three should go a long way. Not sure what to do about 64 bit Linux, maybe just tweak the script to run the 32 bit version anyway?
- Bert -
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:13:30PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Also, we could add more VMs if people provide them, though these three should go a long way. Not sure what to do about 64 bit Linux, maybe just tweak the script to run the 32 bit version anyway?
IMO tweaking the script to run the 32-bit VM is the best thing to do right now. It gives more consistency in the plugins (some are still not available in 64-bit form), and the only real downside is the need to install 32-bit runtime libraries. I expect that it is easier to explain to new users that they need to install 32-bit libraries from their Linux distro than it is to explain way some Squeak capabilities do not work if they happen to be using a 64-bit OS.
Dave
On 30.04.2010, at 04:33, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:13:30PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Also, we could add more VMs if people provide them, though these three should go a long way. Not sure what to do about 64 bit Linux, maybe just tweak the script to run the 32 bit version anyway?
IMO tweaking the script to run the 32-bit VM is the best thing to do right now. It gives more consistency in the plugins (some are still not available in 64-bit form), and the only real downside is the need to install 32-bit runtime libraries. I expect that it is easier to explain to new users that they need to install 32-bit libraries from their Linux distro than it is to explain way some Squeak capabilities do not work if they happen to be using a 64-bit OS.
Dave
Sounds good. What is the output of this on your 64 bit machine?
echo `uname -s`-`uname -m`
... or send me a patched Squeak.sh :)
- Bert -
Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends. I currently use the All-In-One in a 'portable' way (like www.portableapps.com).
I keep the folder in a data area (or on a pendrive) and open it from the MSWindows and Linux (dual boot).
Actually I consider everything there as 'data'.
--Hannes
On 4/30/10, Ian Trudel ian.trudel@gmail.com wrote:
Does this Squeak All-In-One need a shiny Windows installer?
Ian.
Yep, that's where the "Etoys-To-Go" idea comes from. It's typically installed to a USB memory stick. Can be plugged into any machine, keeps all data on the stick itself (in a folder next to Etoys-To-Go). But unlike those other "portable apps" the same stick not only works under Windows, but Mac and Linux too :)
- Bert -
On 30.04.2010, at 10:39, Hannes Hirzel wrote:
Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends. I currently use the All-In-One in a 'portable' way (like www.portableapps.com).
I keep the folder in a data area (or on a pendrive) and open it from the MSWindows and Linux (dual boot).
Actually I consider everything there as 'data'.
--Hannes
On 4/30/10, Ian Trudel ian.trudel@gmail.com wrote:
Does this Squeak All-In-One need a shiny Windows installer?
Ian.
On 30.04.2010, at 10:23, Ian Trudel wrote:
Does this Squeak All-In-One need a shiny Windows installer?
No. One of the major advantages is that this does not need any installation. Unzip and run.
That's a major plus IMHO, you can tell people to just try, because it does not do harm to their system. If they do not want it any longer they just delete it and it's gone.
- Bert -
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:08:06AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 30.04.2010, at 04:33, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:13:30PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Also, we could add more VMs if people provide them, though these three should go a long way. Not sure what to do about 64 bit Linux, maybe just tweak the script to run the 32 bit version anyway?
IMO tweaking the script to run the 32-bit VM is the best thing to do right now. It gives more consistency in the plugins (some are still not available in 64-bit form), and the only real downside is the need to install 32-bit runtime libraries. I expect that it is easier to explain to new users that they need to install 32-bit libraries from their Linux distro than it is to explain way some Squeak capabilities do not work if they happen to be using a 64-bit OS.
Sounds good. What is the output of this on your 64 bit machine?
echo `uname -s`-`uname -m`
$ echo `uname -s`-`uname -m` Linux-x86_64
... or send me a patched Squeak.sh :)
Here is an etoys.sh that works for me.
Dave
On 30.04.2010, at 13:50, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:08:06AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 30.04.2010, at 04:33, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:13:30PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Also, we could add more VMs if people provide them, though these three should go a long way. Not sure what to do about 64 bit Linux, maybe just tweak the script to run the 32 bit version anyway?
IMO tweaking the script to run the 32-bit VM is the best thing to do right now. It gives more consistency in the plugins (some are still not available in 64-bit form), and the only real downside is the need to install 32-bit runtime libraries. I expect that it is easier to explain to new users that they need to install 32-bit libraries from their Linux distro than it is to explain way some Squeak capabilities do not work if they happen to be using a 64-bit OS.
Sounds good. What is the output of this on your 64 bit machine?
echo `uname -s`-`uname -m`
$ echo `uname -s`-`uname -m` Linux-x86_64
... or send me a patched Squeak.sh :)
Here is an etoys.sh that works for me.
Dave
<etoys.sh>
Cool, thanks.
Do you think it's possible to check if the 32 bit support is installed, to warn the user? E.g., parse the output of "ldd $VM" to see if libraries are missing. Or something.
- Bert -
On 30.04.2010, at 13:50, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:08:06AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 30.04.2010, at 04:33, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:13:30PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Also, we could add more VMs if people provide them, though these three should go a long way. Not sure what to do about 64 bit Linux, maybe just tweak the script to run the 32 bit version anyway?
IMO tweaking the script to run the 32-bit VM is the best thing to do right now. It gives more consistency in the plugins (some are still not available in 64-bit form), and the only real downside is the need to install 32-bit runtime libraries. I expect that it is easier to explain to new users that they need to install 32-bit libraries from their Linux distro than it is to explain way some Squeak capabilities do not work if they happen to be using a 64-bit OS.
Sounds good. What is the output of this on your 64 bit machine?
echo `uname -s`-`uname -m`
$ echo `uname -s`-`uname -m` Linux-x86_64
... or send me a patched Squeak.sh :)
Here is an etoys.sh that works for me.
I updated both Etoys-To-Go and Squeak-All-In-One with this. Made it print a warning though. Thanks :)
- Bert -
On 29 April 2010 11:51, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
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Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
http://ftp.squeak.org/Experiments/Squeak-4.1-All-in-One.zip
- Bert -
Very nice work.
What I've done is use that All-in-One file, and incorporated a version of Stephane's muO work, so there's now a prototype muO All-in-One file available at http://www.filebanker.com/muo-all-in-one (random hosting service). This took half an hour for me to do, so we've now got a nice basis for any developer to quickly package up their work for wide distribution.
Some notes on this file: - It uses a 3.8-based image that Stephane put out, so it's not 100% what we're talking about here (I know that muO has been ported to 4.1 now, but it takes a bit more work to put together). - I've crudely updated the splash screen to reflect that "All-in-One" is a general Squeak approach to putting out a quick "trial" configuration. - It seems to load okay, but I'm not sure if it actually works fully because I couldn't figure out how muO works (but that's not the point).
Michael
What I've done is use that All-in-One file, and incorporated a version of Stephane's muO work, so there's now a prototype muO All-in-One file available at http://www.filebanker.com/muo-all-in-one (random hosting service). This took half an hour for me to do, so we've now got a nice basis for any developer to quickly package up their work for wide distribution.
That's a nice try, but it is not finished: muO needs auxilliary files (that's mostly documentation).
My own "ready-to-use" distribution for Windows (at http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/muo/muO%20235%20image.zip, which I guess you worked upon) includes two folders ("muO books" and "rawwaves") that should be located in the same directory as the image; that would be in the Resources directory of your archive.
Then there is the problem that a saved image is not easily available: the All-in-one executable always launches the initial image. In the case of muO, this is a show stopper, since it is a development environment, not an application supposed to always start from scratch.
Stef
One more point:
muO being based on 3.8, and the All-in-One VM being the latest one, it is impossible to close the application by closing its window. One has to go through the "quit" item in the World menu.
Stef
On 29.04.2010, at 15:38, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
One more point:
muO being based on 3.8, and the All-in-One VM being the latest one, it is impossible to close the application by closing its window. One has to go through the "quit" item in the World menu.
Stef
For Mac and Windows you could tweak the VM options.
Or, add the handful of methods to handle the close window event.
- Bert -
2010/4/29 Stéphane Rollandin lecteur@zogotounga.net
What I've done is use that All-in-One file, and incorporated a version
of Stephane's muO work, so there's now a prototype muO All-in-One file available at http://www.filebanker.com/muo-all-in-one (random hosting service). This took half an hour for me to do, so we've now got a nice basis for any developer to quickly package up their work for wide distribution.
That's a nice try, but it is not finished: muO needs auxilliary files (that's mostly documentation).
My own "ready-to-use" distribution for Windows (at http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/muo/muO%20235%20image.zip, which I guess you worked upon) includes two folders ("muO books" and "rawwaves") that should be located in the same directory as the image; that would be in the Resources directory of your archive.
Okay that seems to be fixed in http://www.filebanker.com/muo-all-in-onev2: "live documentation > tests > basic > Musical Algebra Tests; right-click on "a 20-note phrase", EVALUATE, right-click again, play" --> piano music
Then there is the problem that a saved image is not easily available: the All-in-one executable always launches the initial image. In the case of muO, this is a show stopper, since it is a development environment, not an application supposed to always start from scratch.
If you "save and quit" your updated image gets loaded okay on Windows - are
you on a different platform?
As I say, this was just a demo of what is possible. If you have a 4.1 image on hand I'd be happy to build a demo based on that.
Michael
If you "save and quit" your updated image gets loaded okay on Windows - are you on a different platform?
Ah, sorry for the confusion: I meant an updated image with a new name (using "save as new version")
As I say, this was just a demo of what is possible. If you have a 4.1 image on hand I'd be happy to build a demo based on that.
Not yet :)
Stef
Okay that seems to be fixed in http://www.filebanker.com/muo-all-in-onev2
yes, very nice: all tests are green.
thanks for your work, this definitely is inspiring.
I tried the All-in-One in linux: - the squeak.sh script must be updated to the new image name (BTW where is the similar setting for MacOS, if any ?) - I had to set permissions for squeak.sh and bin/squeak since they were not executable by default. - the mouse buttons for halo and context menus were inversed, so the behavior is not the same on Linux and Windows
I have no Mac so could not test the third platform.
thanks again,
Stef
Given that it seems developers will not use an all-in-one image, I thought Michael's "Taste of Squeak" idea was awesome - bundle some of the coolest apps together to get a new user hooked on Squeak's power, and they will be willing to put in the extra effort to get a standard download.
The exchange between Michael and Ian in the former thread (A little 4.1 press coverage):
Michael Davies-2 wrote:
The great thing about the one-click image is that it's such a powerful way to get people hooked. If you've got, say, a Mandelbrot generator that you want to show to people, it's great to be able to drop it into a one-click image, put it and an appealing image on your blog and say to the world "just download it and run it, it works identically on Windows, OS X and Linux, oh and if you want to understand how it works, the source code's included, oh and it's got a powerful development environment in there as well". People can then get a taste for the Squeak environment and perhaps explore the development tools without even caring that there's an "image" there. Once you've captured their interest and they start thinking about using Squeak themselves, they'll be more willing to put in that little bit of effort to understand what images and sources and changes and FFI and DLLs and VMs and changesets and mczs and packages all mean.
<snip>
perhaps there should be a "Taste of Squeak" one-click image based on the 4.1 release, with a few of the more appealing packages pre-installed - a combination of 4.1's un-threatening UI and in-image help, with some of Edgar's FunSqueak ideas could be really attractive.
Ian Trudel-2 wrote:
One may argue the benefit from having a Mandelbrot generator is that people can then look into the code. They may or may not. Your guess is as good as mine. Or, for example, we could instead include some games (SameGame, Tetris, etc) along with the famous Laser Game tutorial (at least a link but preferably in HelpSystem).
“Play games, make games!”
On 4/29/10, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
Given that it seems developers will not use an all-in-one image,
This morning I have downloaded the all-in-one image and use it right now to develop code. It is handy that I can do either under MSWindows and Ubuntu (I have a dual boot installation). It is helpful for testing purposes in addition.
I thought
Michael's "Taste of Squeak" idea was awesome - bundle some of the coolest apps together to get a new user hooked on Squeak's power, and they will be willing to put in the extra effort to get a standard download.
I like this idea. An extended image prepackaged with interesting things. I think this is just what we should encourage.
--Hannes
Hannes Hirzel wrote:
On 4/29/10, Sean P. DeNigris sean@clipperadams.com wrote:
Given that it seems developers will not use an all-in-one image,
This morning I have downloaded the all-in-one image and use it right now to develop code. It is handy that I can do either under MSWindows and Ubuntu (I have a dual boot installation). It is helpful for testing purposes in addition.
I thought
Michael's "Taste of Squeak" idea was awesome - bundle some of the coolest apps together to get a new user hooked on Squeak's power, and they will be willing to put in the extra effort to get a standard download.
I like this idea. An extended image prepackaged with interesting things. I think this is just what we should encourage.
--Hannes
Again, that simple applescript provides a shell to launch the squeak VM using a selection of image versions. I'm sure that Linux and Windows shell scripting can provide a similar capability:
Its not as professional looking as it might be (what I whipped up) but it lets you choose which version of hte image to launch
Lawson
Again, that simple applescript provides a shell to launch the squeak VM using a selection of image versions. I'm sure that Linux and Windows shell scripting can provide a similar capability:
I made such a script in Emacs Lisp, for Surmulot (http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.html) which combines Emacs and muO. What I found useful in that context was to give a root name, and analyse all images based on that name, then propose to the user to choose which image to launch among the initial image (the one with the root name) plus the latests of its derivative (the number of which we can customize).
so, if the images folder contains muO.image muO.1.image muO.2.image muO.3.image muO.4.image muO.5.image
the script could propose only muO.image and muO.5.image, and possibly add muO.4.image also, or muO.4.image and muO.3.image, etc.
here are some docstrings:
--- function (squeak-tcpip-default-image)
Return the default image to be opened when starting Squeak from Emacs. Valid image file names are built by replacing ".image" with ".N.image" in variable `squeak-tcpip-default-image', where N stands for any integer. Variable `squeak-tcpip-proposed-images' controls which images are considered candidates. If none is found, return "" which make the Squeak VM interactively query the user.
variable squeak-tcpip-proposed-images
The number of latest images to be interactively proposed when starting Squeak from Emacs. If 0, the latest image is automatically selected. If negative, the root image (from variable `squeak-tcpip-default-image') is automatically selected.
---
yet another approach would be to sort the image files by modification dates.
my 2 cents,
Stef
Hello
muO-All-in-Onev2.zip, can't boot on my Mac. Please change "SqueakImageName" key of app/Contents/Info.plist, to correct image fine name: "Squeak3.8.2-6779+muO235.image" (not include path).
it can't to run all tests, because of vm crash. 2 testcases UnixProcessFileLockingTestCase UnixProcessTestCase cause a VM crashing.
Except 2 testcases above, the result is...
3076 run, 3039 passes, 0 expected failures, 27 failures, 10 errors, 0 unexpected passes
regards.
on 10/04/29 23:45, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
Okay that seems to be fixed in http://www.filebanker.com/muo-all-in-onev2
yes, very nice: all tests are green.
thanks for your work, this definitely is inspiring.
I tried the All-in-One in linux:
- the squeak.sh script must be updated to the new image name (BTW
where is the similar setting for MacOS, if any ?)
- I had to set permissions for squeak.sh and bin/squeak since they
were not executable by default.
- the mouse buttons for halo and context menus were inversed, so the
behavior is not the same on Linux and Windows
I have no Mac so could not test the third platform.
thanks again,
Stef
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:12:26PM +0900, NISHIHARA Satoshi wrote:
Hello
muO-All-in-Onev2.zip, can't boot on my Mac. Please change "SqueakImageName" key of app/Contents/Info.plist, to correct image fine name: "Squeak3.8.2-6779+muO235.image" (not include path).
it can't to run all tests, because of vm crash. 2 testcases UnixProcessFileLockingTestCase UnixProcessTestCase cause a VM crashing.
Thank you very much for reporting the VM crash.
I do not have a Mac to test this, but if anyone has further information on which primitive is crashing, I'd appreciate hearing further. Obviously save your image first ;-)
Dave
Hello
The crashing primitives are: UnixOSProcessAccessor>>#primForkSqueak UnixOSProcessAccessor>>#primOldForkSqueak
crashing methods are: UnixProcessFileLockingTestCase testCooperatingProcesses01 testCooperatingProcesses02 testCooperatingProcesses03 testCooperatingProcesses04 testCooperatingProcesses05 testLockEntireFileForWrite01 testLockEntireFileForWrite02 testLockEntireFileForWrite03 testLockEntireFileForWrite04 testLockEntireFileForWrite05 testLockEntireFileForWrite06 testLockRegionForRead01 testLockRegionForRead02 testLockRegionForWrite01 testLockRegionForWrite02 testLockRegionForWrite03 testLockRegionForWrite04 testLockRegionForWrite05 testLockRegionForWrite06 testLockRegionForWrite07 testLockRegionForWrite08
UnixProcessTestCase testClassForkHeadlessSqueakAndDo testClassForkHeadlessSqueakAndDoThenQuit testClassForkSqueak testClassForkSqueakAndDo testClassForkSqueakAndDoThenQuit testEightLeafSqueakTree testHeadlessChild testSpawnTenHeadlessChildren testForkHeadlessSqueakAndDo testForkHeadlessSqueakAndDoThenQuit testForkSqueak testForkSqueakAndDo testForkSqueakAndDoThenQuit
my environment is muO All-in-One.app (app/Contents/Info.plist changed, only) Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L30) MacBookPro5,1, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.66 GHz
regards.
On 2010/05/02, at 00:15, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:12:26PM +0900, NISHIHARA Satoshi wrote:
Hello
muO-All-in-Onev2.zip, can't boot on my Mac. Please change "SqueakImageName" key of app/Contents/Info.plist, to correct image fine name: "Squeak3.8.2-6779+muO235.image" (not include path).
it can't to run all tests, because of vm crash. 2 testcases UnixProcessFileLockingTestCase UnixProcessTestCase cause a VM crashing.
Thank you very much for reporting the VM crash.
I do not have a Mac to test this, but if anyone has further information on which primitive is crashing, I'd appreciate hearing further. Obviously save your image first ;-)
Dave
Thanks, this is very helpful. These tests are all using #primForkSqueak to run a headless background Squeak process. I think that this used to work on OS X, although I am not certain.
As a workaround until this can be fixed, you can prevent the VM crash like this:
UnixOSProcessAccessor>>primForkSqueak self primitiveFailed "broken on OS X"
Dave
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 03:02:55AM +0900, NISHIHARA Satoshi wrote:
Hello
The crashing primitives are: UnixOSProcessAccessor>>#primForkSqueak UnixOSProcessAccessor>>#primOldForkSqueak
crashing methods are: UnixProcessFileLockingTestCase testCooperatingProcesses01 testCooperatingProcesses02 testCooperatingProcesses03 testCooperatingProcesses04 testCooperatingProcesses05 testLockEntireFileForWrite01 testLockEntireFileForWrite02 testLockEntireFileForWrite03 testLockEntireFileForWrite04 testLockEntireFileForWrite05 testLockEntireFileForWrite06 testLockRegionForRead01 testLockRegionForRead02 testLockRegionForWrite01 testLockRegionForWrite02 testLockRegionForWrite03 testLockRegionForWrite04 testLockRegionForWrite05 testLockRegionForWrite06 testLockRegionForWrite07 testLockRegionForWrite08
UnixProcessTestCase testClassForkHeadlessSqueakAndDo testClassForkHeadlessSqueakAndDoThenQuit testClassForkSqueak testClassForkSqueakAndDo testClassForkSqueakAndDoThenQuit testEightLeafSqueakTree testHeadlessChild testSpawnTenHeadlessChildren testForkHeadlessSqueakAndDo testForkHeadlessSqueakAndDoThenQuit testForkSqueak testForkSqueakAndDo testForkSqueakAndDoThenQuit
my environment is muO All-in-One.app (app/Contents/Info.plist changed, only) Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L30) MacBookPro5,1, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.66 GHz
regards.
On 2010/05/02, at 00:15, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:12:26PM +0900, NISHIHARA Satoshi wrote:
Hello
muO-All-in-Onev2.zip, can't boot on my Mac. Please change "SqueakImageName" key of app/Contents/Info.plist, to correct image fine name: "Squeak3.8.2-6779+muO235.image" (not include path).
it can't to run all tests, because of vm crash. 2 testcases UnixProcessFileLockingTestCase UnixProcessTestCase cause a VM crashing.
Thank you very much for reporting the VM crash.
I do not have a Mac to test this, but if anyone has further information on which primitive is crashing, I'd appreciate hearing further. Obviously save your image first ;-)
Dave
On 4/29/10, Michael Davies mykdavies+squeak@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 April 2010 11:51, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
(resending with proper subject)
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
http://ftp.squeak.org/Experiments/Squeak-4.1-All-in-One.zip
- Bert -
Very nice work.
What I've done is use that All-in-One file, and incorporated a version of Stephane's muO work, so there's now a prototype muO All-in-One file available at http://www.filebanker.com/muo-all-in-one (random hosting service). This took half an hour for me to do, so we've now got a nice basis for any developer to quickly package up their work for wide distribution.
Excellent - this is just what I need. A platform independent zip package to distribute my image file.
--Hannes
On 4/29/2010 2:51 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
This is great! I see someone has already put a copy into the 4.1 directory - should we put this up as a download option on www.squeak.org, perhaps labeled "Universal Install"? (to make clear that it applies to all platforms)
Cheers, - Andreas
On 30.04.2010, at 05:05, Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/29/2010 2:51 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Agreed. Let's build it. But Amazon marketing be damned, please don't call it "1-click". Makes me cringe every time.
Actually ... I just made one. Only tested on Mac and Linux-i686, but chances are it works on Windows, too:
This is great! I see someone has already put a copy into the 4.1 directory - should we put this up as a download option on www.squeak.org, perhaps labeled "Universal Install"? (to make clear that it applies to all platforms)
Cheers,
- Andreas
People seem to like it, it appears to work, sure, should be on the download page.
Not sure about "Universal Install" - it's not a proper installation at all, more like a teaser. Something more like
============= If you just want to try Squeak, download this all-in-one package which will work without installation on Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. After unzipping, double click it ("Squeak.exe" on Windows, "Squeak.sh" on Linux). =============
I see this mostly as teaser for beginners at this point.
It also is a more visible template for how to deploy desktop Squeak applications. This scheme exists for at least 4 years now (*), but is still somewhat unknown in the community. We *do* have a documentation problem ;)
- Bert -
(*) from http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2006/esug06_inno_aw_plopp.pdf
Application Directory Layout: We came up with a portable directory structure which keeps Mac, Windows, and Linux VMs, image and content data in a single place. On the Mac, you simply drag-and-drop the Plopp application icon from the CD to your application folder, and double-click it to run. The very same icon appears as directory on Windows and Linux. Once copied to the hard-drive, double-clicking Croquet.exe or Croquet.sh in that directory launches Plopp.
And while impara (headed by Michael Rueger) won the price, this also depended on VM features added by John McIntosh and Andreas Raab for Mac and Windows. Only unix with its shell scripting was flexible enough to not need a VM change, so I could do that one my own ;)
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