I wish the new group success with their efforts: we need someone trying to change things. Recently I have been unable to spend as much time on Squeak as it deserves. But my article on "Rock Solid Images" got zero attention, and the community start talking about get money from squeak to going on on developement. This is a bit bad in my own opinion: because it means we come at the very bottom line.
So we need a different approach: I like the goran's humor, but I ask them also a more strong attention to all the quest we face on and... a nick name (like MouseTrappers :)
My work is for the community. My soul is confident. Restart squeaking!
On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 09:21:26AM +0100, Giovanni Giorgi wrote:
Recently I have been unable to spend as much time on Squeak as it deserves. But my article on "Rock Solid Images" got zero attention, and the community start talking about
It probabily got attention but no feedback (which I precieve as usual)
Giovanni Giorgi giovanni.giorgi@siforge.org wrote:
I wish the new group success with their efforts: we need someone trying to change things. Recently I have been unable to spend as much time on Squeak as it deserves. But my article on "Rock Solid Images" got zero attention, and the community start talking about get money from squeak to going on on developement.
I read it. I remember having trouble grappling with all the big ideas, though, and could not form a good response. So I'll leave it as a meta-response: it's great seeing people think and write about such things!
-Lex
To Lex and Ragnar: I am happy to know you read it, I feel a bit "ignored" :) There are a lot of people in the commuity tring to help grabbing a little of time from their jobs, family, and so on...
By the way, this saturday I am working to commit a big java project...instead of being at home at developing Celeste :-( I think we can grow, I am reading http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_05/b3918001_mz001.htm as suggested by Frank Caggiano. We have monticello and squeak map: great tools for coordination in my own opinion!
Lex Spoon ha scritto in data 18/02/2005 16.11:
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I read it. I remember having trouble grappling with all the big ideas, though, and could not form a good response. So I'll leave it as a meta-response: it's great seeing people think and write about such things!
-Lex
Giovanni wrote:
By the way, this saturday I am working to commit a big java project...instead of being at home at developing Celeste :-( I think we can grow, I am reading http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_05/b3918001_mz001.htm as suggested by Frank Caggiano.
It's a cool article. However, the exact way they organize does not seem to map well to what we want. Even with all the delegation, Linus is still the executor and the court of last appeal. We don't have anyone like that around here that everyone could be happy with.
Also, I take issue with this comment:
"Unless he changed his ways, they might concoct a rival software package -- a threat that could have crippled Linux. "
It's all open source, and this kind of thing is not only reasonable, but practically inevitable. It is crippling to have 100 rival versions. Having 3-5 is perfectly fine, and practically, seems likely to happen no matter how hard you try. You don't even have to announce the fork explicitly; every Squeak image is already a mini-fork. If you move forward with an image, and don't re-merge with the community, then you can quietly create a fork without even thinking about it.
-Lex
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 04:00:21PM -0400, Lex Spoon wrote:
Giovanni wrote:
By the way, this saturday I am working to commit a big java project...instead of being at home at developing Celeste :-( I think we can grow, I am reading http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_05/b3918001_mz001.htm as suggested by Frank Caggiano.
It's a cool article. However, the exact way they organize does not seem to map well to what we want. Even with all the delegation, Linus is still the executor and the court of last appeal. We don't have anyone like that around here that everyone could be happy with.
Not to mention there are, very broadly speaking, two defined layers in the kernel code. One involving subsystem infrastructure (such a memory management), and the other involving device drivers.. Linus can safely deciede to ignore what happens at device driver level (which is, nonetheless, a huuuge chunck of code), including how badly they break and can concentrate efforts at the critical layer.
I don't really see how this process could this be mapped onto squeak development (at least as the base image stands right now).
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