[Newbies] MVC programs don't work in Squeak 4.1

David T. Lewis lewis at mail.msen.com
Mon Jun 14 20:32:31 UTC 2010

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 02:14:23PM -0400, David Burton wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:15 PM, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:
> >
> > Recent versions of Squeak are unusable for MVC programs. I suggest that
> > you use Squeak 3.8, which is available here:
> >
> > ?http://ftp.squeak.org/3.8/
> >
> > All versions of Squeak since 3.8 have problems with MVC to varying degrees,
> > so 3.8 is really the last useable version. Hopefully these issues will
> > be addressed, but for now you should just use and older version that works.
> > BTW, the older versions of Squeak are well worth browsing regardless. I
> > would particularly suggest taking a look at 3.6 just for fun :)

> Thank you, Dave!
> Do you have an opinion about  Squeak 3.8  vs.  GNU  vs.  Dolphin
> Community Edition  vs.  ???  for MVC programming?
> http://www.smalltalk.org/versions/GNUSmalltalk.html
> http://www.object-arts.com/content/navigation/products/dce.html
> Dave

I have no experience with GNU or Dolphin, so I cannot really comment.
but I can tell you that the MVC is Squeak is the direct decendent of
the original Smalltalk MVC, so it is as close to the "real thing"
as you can possibly get.

And although the MVC implementations in Squeak 3.9 and later are
currently in bad shape, I see no reason that this cannot be fixed.
We also have the advantage now that the entire MVC environment is
a reloadable package in Squeak, so once the problems are fixed, it
can be maintained and kept healthy as a package that can be loaded
by anyone interested in MVC, or unloaded by those who are not.

In the mean time though, just use an older version of Squeak and
I think you will be happy with the results.


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