[etoys-dev] Sugar vs legacy OS

[Edward Cherlin]

The file system is exposed in Terminal. We can't pretend it doesn't
exist. Instead, we need a plan for how and when to explain it to
students in the curriculum, and to explain the relationship of Journal
to filesystem.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:32, Hilaire Fernandes
<hilaire.fernandes at edu.ge.ch> wrote:
> Btw, it is likely kids may not have this misconception as they may
> have not initial conception of a file.
>
> Hilaire
>
> 2009/10/30 Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>:
>>
>> On 29.10.2009, at 09:03, Walter Bender wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>>>>> Date: 29. Oktober 2009 08:39:11 GMT-04:00
>>>>> To: Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes at edu.ge.ch>
>>>>> Cc: OLPC Devel <devel at laptop.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Sharing files among several XO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29.10.2009, at 02:47, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Under Etoys, If I keep down the mouse button and choose "Save under
>>>>>> another name" (I am not sure about the exact message), and save the
>>>>>> project with another name, then in the journal the previous instance
>>>>>> of the project is replaced with this new one. I will check again
>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: Pay attention I am not just using the Keep button
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?!
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply stop Etoys to save to the Journal, overwriting the previous
>>>>> entry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply click the Keep button to create a new entry in the Journal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply edit the name in the Etoys toolbar to rename. Or rename in the
>>>>> Journal.
>>>>>
>>>>> The hidden save menu options let you save to a file or upload to the
>>>>> Squeakland website. They do not save to the Journal. They are hidden
>>>>> for a reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Bert -
>>>>
>>>> If anybody has ideas on how to avoid misconceptions like above, let's
>>>> hear
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> I think that if the Sugar sharing and versioning were working better,
>>> then this problem/misconception would never have arisen. 0.84/86
>>> addresses many of the sharing issues. We'll be discussing versioning
>>> in Bolzano as part of our 0.88 plans. The good news is that OLPC seems
>>> to be motivated to get 0.86 onto the XO 1.5 machines.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>
>> How would that address the differences between using Etoys on a machine with
>> a user-managed file system and Etoys on Sugar with automatic saving?
>>
>> Are you suggesting that when running under Sugar, we should disable Etoys'
>> ability to work with the filesystem directly? What Hilaire ran into is that
>> he accidentally used the lower-level filesystem interface instead of the
>> higher-level Journal interface.
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>>
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