[etoys-dev] Question about LocaleID>>#displayName

[Korakurider]

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something but the idea is fix the method #displayName to
> look for the translation of "Language-Name" instead of the magic
> phrase '<language display name>' (which I don't know how it works... I guess
> that's why it's calles "magic" :).
    Correct.

    My point was that to display string in some language correctly
Etoys needs additional font loaded, but in our packaging the font is
NOT loaded into image by default.
In current implementation the font might be loaded after the language
is actually selected by user.  This means font isn't loaded when
language button is pressed and language chooser is opened.

Squeak has facility to display language name with extra icon.
see #iconForNativeLanguage and #chooseNaturalLanguage.
The icon for Japanese is actually loaded in the image by default, so
language name display for Japanese is using the icon.

So I think assumptions by current implementation are
a-1 translation for "the magic phrase" doesn't need additional font
a-2 If additional font is needed language icon is installed.

How do you think the design?
And We might want to ask folks to produce the icons for some languages.

/Korakurider

> Anyway, I see that "Language-Name" is translated in some po files but in
> latest dev images I execute
> (LocaleID isoLanguage: 'es') displayName
> and I get 'Spanish; Castilian' where it should be 'Español'. However, I
> tried an old image (etoys4.0 of 9 October 2008 update 2340) and when I first
> open Etoys I get the correct result. But, when I change the locale to "es",
> it gives me the wrong result.
> I know why this happens: newer images start up using the correct locale so I
> guess the mo file is already loaded and it uses a GetTextTranslator (which,
> as I said, doesn't work). In the old image the mo file is not loaded yet so
> it uses InternalTranslator which holds the correct translation.
> In a separate note, the spanish translation is wrong: it translates
> "Language-Name" literally as "Nombre-Lenguaje". I don't know if the others
> are right (because I don't know that many languages) but I think we should
> warn the translators about that.
> Cheers
> Richo
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Korakurider <korakurider at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>> wrote:
>> > On 18.05.2010, at 09:46, Ricardo Moran wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > I've found this method:
>> > ----------------------------------------------------
>> > LocaleID>>displayName
>> > | magicPhrase translatedMagicPhrase |
>> > magicPhrase := '<language display name>'.
>> > translatedMagicPhrase := NaturalLanguageTranslator
>> > translateWithoutLoading:
>> > magicPhrase toLocaleID: self.
>> > ^ translatedMagicPhrase = magicPhrase
>> > ifTrue: [self displayLanguage]
>> > ifFalse: [translatedMagicPhrase]
>> > ----------------------------------------------------
>> > Shouldn't magicPhrase be 'Language-Name' as it is in the po file?
>> >
>> > Yes, we should fix that.
>> >
>> > Also, this string doesn't seem to be translated in any file, is that
>> > correct?
>> >
>> > It is translated:
>> > http://etoys.laptop.org/svn/trunk/etoys/po/etoys/de.po
>> >
>> > #: Language name as you'd like it to appear in the Languages menu
>> > msgid "Language-Name"
>> > msgstr "Deutsch"
>>
>> Some language needs additional font installed to draw string properly.
>> So if we *naively fix* the translation, display of language name might
>> be corrupted.
>> Consideration on packaging will be required...
>>
>> /Korakurider
>>
>> >
>> > - Bert -
>> >
>> >
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