[etoys-dev] Etoys: Etoys-Richo.103.mcz

[Ricardo Moran]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:39 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com> wrote:
(...)

>
> I think Steve's story means that if you just listen and do what others
> think the result will be that you do nothing.
>

Oh, thanks for the explanation :)


>
> This work should be included in next release :-)
>
> I found a issue with variable type sound
> I says 'no value' and I can't drop a sound tile to it.
> Do you have a suggestion ?
>

That's weird, my image makes a valid slot but if I load the change set in a
4.1 image I get the same error. I'll look at it and then I'll directly
commit the changes to etoys if you agree.

Cheers,
Richo


>
> Karl
>
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Richo
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Steve Thomas <sthomas1 at gosargon.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Scott Wallace
> >> > <scott.wallace at squeakland.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi again, I've been working on the "decimal places" option and now I
> >> >> don't
> >> >> feel is a good idea because we would still have the "decimal
> places..."
> >> >> menu
> >> >> item in system-defined slots. I feel this wouldn't be very
> consistent.
> >> >> Maybe
> >> >> the dialog with just name & type would be good enough.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Arguably yes... However, since you've already done the work to have
> the
> >> >> decimal-places element come and go in the panel, depending on the
> type
> >> >> chosen, and since its presence in the panel helps make users
> conscious
> >> >> of
> >> >> the "decimal places" feature, which they might otherwise not be aware
> >> >> of,
> >> >> maybe we should keep it there...
> >> >>
> >> >> In any case, this is an excellent and timely and really welcome piece
> >> >> of
> >> >> work, Richo -- yay!
> >> >>
> >> >> Any comments from Ed Team about this?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Comments :
> >> >
> >> > Richo Rocks
> >> > When when I click on the Type - a new window pops up, which I find
> >> > visually
> >> > distracting
> >> >
> >> > Having something similar to clicking on the sound tile in a "make
> sound"
> >> > tile in a scriptor is better
> >>
> >> The difference is that the variable menu has a 'header'.
> >> I like that it tells what it is that you are supposed to do with these
> >> abstract entities that change what the variable means.
> >> The sounds menu is a little simpler because they are just sound names,
> >> no semantic change.
> >>
> >> Karl
> >>
> >> > A further improvement would be something  more like a drop down menu,
> >> > where
> >> > the colors don't change and as you mouse over the selections they are
> >> > highlighted.
> >> >
> >> > I like the showing of decimal places when you select number.
> >> >  Consistency
> >> > and minimalism are great (but not always best for new learners)
> >> > I would put back the title bar "Add Variable" as it is not obvious
> what
> >> > the
> >> > downward pointing pink arrow does (ah the curse of knowledge when the
> >> > expert
> >> > is trying to teach the novice)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Finally my dear Ricardo, you may wish to consider heading the advise
> of
> >> > Ben
> >> > Franklin to Thomas Jefferson when he was drafting the Decleration of
> >> > Independence:
> >> > "I have made a rule, whenever in my power, to avoid becoming the
> >> > draughtsman
> >> > of papers to be reviewed by a public body. I took my lesson from an
> >> > incident
> >> > which I will relate to you. When I was a journeyman printer, one of my
> >> > companions, an apprentice hatter, having served out his time, was
> about
> >> > to
> >> > open shop for himself. His first concern was to have a handsome
> >> > signboard,
> >> > with a proper inscription. He composed it in these words, 'John
> >> > Thompson,
> >> > Hatter, makes and sells hats for ready money,' with a figure of a hat
> >> > subjoined. But thought he would submit it to his friends for their
> >> > amendments. The first he showed it to thought the word 'Hatter'
> >> > tautologous,
> >> > because followed by the words 'makes hats,' which showed he was a
> >> > hatter. It
> >> > was struck out. The next observed that the word 'makes' might as well
> be
> >> > omitted, because his customers would not care who made the hats. If
> good
> >> > and
> >> > to their mind, they would buy them, by whomsoever made. He struck it
> >> > out. A
> >> > third said he thought the words 'for ready money' were useless, as it
> >> > was
> >> > not the custom of the place to sell on credit. Every one who purchased
> >> > expected to pay. They were parted with, and the inscription now stood,
> >> > 'John
> >> > Thompson sells hats.' 'Sells hats!' says the next friend. 'Why, nobody
> >> > will
> >> > expect you to give them away. What then is the use of that word?' It
> was
> >> > stricken out, and 'hats' followed it, the rather as there was one
> >> > painted on
> >> > the board. So the inscription was reduced ultimately to 'John
> Thompson,'
> >> > with the figure of a hat subjoined."
> >> >
> >> > Stephen
> >> >
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