[etoys-dev] Etoys: Etoys-Richo.103.mcz

[Ricardo Moran]

I think I found the bug. It seems when I look for the selected type I take
the vocabulary named as the button's label, which is translated, in my case
to "Sonido". So no initial value is found for this unknown vocabulary. I
fixed it in Etoys-Richo.106

Cheers,
Richo

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:39 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com>wrote:
> (...)
>
>>
>> I think Steve's story means that if you just listen and do what others
>> think the result will be that you do nothing.
>>
>
> Oh, thanks for the explanation :)
>
>
>>
>> This work should be included in next release :-)
>>
>> I found a issue with variable type sound
>> I says 'no value' and I can't drop a sound tile to it.
>> Do you have a suggestion ?
>>
>
> That's weird, my image makes a valid slot but if I load the change set in
> a 4.1 image I get the same error. I'll look at it and then I'll directly
> commit the changes to etoys if you agree.
>
> Cheers,
> Richo
>
>
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Richo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Steve Thomas <sthomas1 at gosargon.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Scott Wallace
>> >> > <scott.wallace at squeakland.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi again, I've been working on the "decimal places" option and now I
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> feel is a good idea because we would still have the "decimal
>> places..."
>> >> >> menu
>> >> >> item in system-defined slots. I feel this wouldn't be very
>> consistent.
>> >> >> Maybe
>> >> >> the dialog with just name & type would be good enough.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Arguably yes... However, since you've already done the work to have
>> the
>> >> >> decimal-places element come and go in the panel, depending on the
>> type
>> >> >> chosen, and since its presence in the panel helps make users
>> conscious
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the "decimal places" feature, which they might otherwise not be
>> aware
>> >> >> of,
>> >> >> maybe we should keep it there...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In any case, this is an excellent and timely and really welcome
>> piece
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> work, Richo -- yay!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any comments from Ed Team about this?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Comments :
>> >> >
>> >> > Richo Rocks
>> >> > When when I click on the Type - a new window pops up, which I find
>> >> > visually
>> >> > distracting
>> >> >
>> >> > Having something similar to clicking on the sound tile in a "make
>> sound"
>> >> > tile in a scriptor is better
>> >>
>> >> The difference is that the variable menu has a 'header'.
>> >> I like that it tells what it is that you are supposed to do with these
>> >> abstract entities that change what the variable means.
>> >> The sounds menu is a little simpler because they are just sound names,
>> >> no semantic change.
>> >>
>> >> Karl
>> >>
>> >> > A further improvement would be something  more like a drop down menu,
>> >> > where
>> >> > the colors don't change and as you mouse over the selections they are
>> >> > highlighted.
>> >> >
>> >> > I like the showing of decimal places when you select number.
>> >> >  Consistency
>> >> > and minimalism are great (but not always best for new learners)
>> >> > I would put back the title bar "Add Variable" as it is not obvious
>> what
>> >> > the
>> >> > downward pointing pink arrow does (ah the curse of knowledge when the
>> >> > expert
>> >> > is trying to teach the novice)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Finally my dear Ricardo, you may wish to consider heading the advise
>> of
>> >> > Ben
>> >> > Franklin to Thomas Jefferson when he was drafting the Decleration of
>> >> > Independence:
>> >> > "I have made a rule, whenever in my power, to avoid becoming the
>> >> > draughtsman
>> >> > of papers to be reviewed by a public body. I took my lesson from an
>> >> > incident
>> >> > which I will relate to you. When I was a journeyman printer, one of
>> my
>> >> > companions, an apprentice hatter, having served out his time, was
>> about
>> >> > to
>> >> > open shop for himself. His first concern was to have a handsome
>> >> > signboard,
>> >> > with a proper inscription. He composed it in these words, 'John
>> >> > Thompson,
>> >> > Hatter, makes and sells hats for ready money,' with a figure of a hat
>> >> > subjoined. But thought he would submit it to his friends for their
>> >> > amendments. The first he showed it to thought the word 'Hatter'
>> >> > tautologous,
>> >> > because followed by the words 'makes hats,' which showed he was a
>> >> > hatter. It
>> >> > was struck out. The next observed that the word 'makes' might as
>> well be
>> >> > omitted, because his customers would not care who made the hats. If
>> good
>> >> > and
>> >> > to their mind, they would buy them, by whomsoever made. He struck it
>> >> > out. A
>> >> > third said he thought the words 'for ready money' were useless, as it
>> >> > was
>> >> > not the custom of the place to sell on credit. Every one who
>> purchased
>> >> > expected to pay. They were parted with, and the inscription now
>> stood,
>> >> > 'John
>> >> > Thompson sells hats.' 'Sells hats!' says the next friend. 'Why,
>> nobody
>> >> > will
>> >> > expect you to give them away. What then is the use of that word?' It
>> was
>> >> > stricken out, and 'hats' followed it, the rather as there was one
>> >> > painted on
>> >> > the board. So the inscription was reduced ultimately to 'John
>> Thompson,'
>> >> > with the figure of a hat subjoined."
>> >> >
>> >> > Stephen
>> >> >
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