[etoys-dev] Etoys: Etoys-Richo.103.mcz

[karl ramberg]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I found the bug. It seems when I look for the selected type I take
> the vocabulary named as the button's label, which is translated, in my case
> to "Sonido". So no initial value is found for this unknown vocabulary. I
> fixed it in Etoys-Richo.106
>
> Cheers,
> Richo

Great !

Karl
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:39 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> (...)
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Steve's story means that if you just listen and do what others
>>> think the result will be that you do nothing.
>>
>>
>> Oh, thanks for the explanation :)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This work should be included in next release :-)
>>>
>>> I found a issue with variable type sound
>>> I says 'no value' and I can't drop a sound tile to it.
>>> Do you have a suggestion ?
>>
>>
>> That's weird, my image makes a valid slot but if I load the change set in
>> a 4.1 image I get the same error. I'll look at it and then I'll directly
>> commit the changes to etoys if you agree.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Richo
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Richo
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Steve Thomas <sthomas1 at gosargon.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Scott Wallace
>>> >> > <scott.wallace at squeakland.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi again, I've been working on the "decimal places" option and now
>>> >> >> I
>>> >> >> don't
>>> >> >> feel is a good idea because we would still have the "decimal
>>> >> >> places..."
>>> >> >> menu
>>> >> >> item in system-defined slots. I feel this wouldn't be very
>>> >> >> consistent.
>>> >> >> Maybe
>>> >> >> the dialog with just name & type would be good enough.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Arguably yes... However, since you've already done the work to have
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> decimal-places element come and go in the panel, depending on the
>>> >> >> type
>>> >> >> chosen, and since its presence in the panel helps make users
>>> >> >> conscious
>>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> the "decimal places" feature, which they might otherwise not be
>>> >> >> aware
>>> >> >> of,
>>> >> >> maybe we should keep it there...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> In any case, this is an excellent and timely and really welcome
>>> >> >> piece
>>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> work, Richo -- yay!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Any comments from Ed Team about this?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Comments :
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Richo Rocks
>>> >> > When when I click on the Type - a new window pops up, which I find
>>> >> > visually
>>> >> > distracting
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Having something similar to clicking on the sound tile in a "make
>>> >> > sound"
>>> >> > tile in a scriptor is better
>>> >>
>>> >> The difference is that the variable menu has a 'header'.
>>> >> I like that it tells what it is that you are supposed to do with these
>>> >> abstract entities that change what the variable means.
>>> >> The sounds menu is a little simpler because they are just sound names,
>>> >> no semantic change.
>>> >>
>>> >> Karl
>>> >>
>>> >> > A further improvement would be something  more like a drop down
>>> >> > menu,
>>> >> > where
>>> >> > the colors don't change and as you mouse over the selections they
>>> >> > are
>>> >> > highlighted.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I like the showing of decimal places when you select number.
>>> >> >  Consistency
>>> >> > and minimalism are great (but not always best for new learners)
>>> >> > I would put back the title bar "Add Variable" as it is not obvious
>>> >> > what
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > downward pointing pink arrow does (ah the curse of knowledge when
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > expert
>>> >> > is trying to teach the novice)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Finally my dear Ricardo, you may wish to consider heading the advise
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > Ben
>>> >> > Franklin to Thomas Jefferson when he was drafting the Decleration of
>>> >> > Independence:
>>> >> > "I have made a rule, whenever in my power, to avoid becoming the
>>> >> > draughtsman
>>> >> > of papers to be reviewed by a public body. I took my lesson from an
>>> >> > incident
>>> >> > which I will relate to you. When I was a journeyman printer, one of
>>> >> > my
>>> >> > companions, an apprentice hatter, having served out his time, was
>>> >> > about
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > open shop for himself. His first concern was to have a handsome
>>> >> > signboard,
>>> >> > with a proper inscription. He composed it in these words, 'John
>>> >> > Thompson,
>>> >> > Hatter, makes and sells hats for ready money,' with a figure of a
>>> >> > hat
>>> >> > subjoined. But thought he would submit it to his friends for their
>>> >> > amendments. The first he showed it to thought the word 'Hatter'
>>> >> > tautologous,
>>> >> > because followed by the words 'makes hats,' which showed he was a
>>> >> > hatter. It
>>> >> > was struck out. The next observed that the word 'makes' might as
>>> >> > well be
>>> >> > omitted, because his customers would not care who made the hats. If
>>> >> > good
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > to their mind, they would buy them, by whomsoever made. He struck it
>>> >> > out. A
>>> >> > third said he thought the words 'for ready money' were useless, as
>>> >> > it
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > not the custom of the place to sell on credit. Every one who
>>> >> > purchased
>>> >> > expected to pay. They were parted with, and the inscription now
>>> >> > stood,
>>> >> > 'John
>>> >> > Thompson sells hats.' 'Sells hats!' says the next friend. 'Why,
>>> >> > nobody
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > expect you to give them away. What then is the use of that word?' It
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > stricken out, and 'hats' followed it, the rather as there was one
>>> >> > painted on
>>> >> > the board. So the inscription was reduced ultimately to 'John
>>> >> > Thompson,'
>>> >> > with the figure of a hat subjoined."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Stephen
>>> >> >
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