[Release] 3.11 liaison change

[Andreas Raab]

Keith -

The difficulty here is that I'm not even sure what you're after. I have 
been specifically trying to avoid any impression of competing with your 
work, integrating it at every step of the way for many of the same 
purposes that I understand you have in mind for it. For example, part of 
the plan (as stated in my post) is to use Installer and Bob to transfer 
submissions from Mantis into the community repository. If I understand 
it correctly, this is exactly what you had in mind.

I certainly don't feel like competing with you. All I am trying to do is 
to open the doors for contributions.

Cheers,
   - Andreas

Keith Hodges wrote:
> Andreas,
> 
> sorry this is not an acceptable excuse, your proposal directly competes
> with my work. My work is primarily the development of a philosophical
> ideal, its not about a single image. I was looking forward to your
> support and assistence, not your competition.
> 
> 3.11 as accepted by the board was a proposal to work towards "A new
> process for squeak development" for the whole community of squeak users,
> and aiming to be inclusive for all forks of squeak.
> 
> What you have just proposed amounts to the same thing, "a process for
> squeak development for the community at large", as you say not just the
> release team.
> 
> So now we have a your proposal to manage things with MC, before we have
> even reorganised the image to be in approprate packages. That is one of
> the goals of 3.11 to perform that reorganisation. Hopefully allowing
> modules to be managed outside of the code, with better defined interfaces.
> 
> Until then I have proposed that automating submission testing via Mantis
> is the way forward, and I know you have worked out how that is supposed
> to work. So I don't understand what you mean about being confused as to
> how to contribute.
> 
> So the board has to decide whether or not it supports managing changes
> to the kernel in mantis, or in some MC repo, according to an
> organisation that doesnt yet exist.
> 
> So at this point in time, we are competely hosed.
> 
> People following you will start contributing random stuff to some new
> repo that you have created without any discussion, or explanation. You
> have just instituted a new entity, that of "core-dev", some mythical
> future beast that is in charge of deciding what goes in and out of the
> image, and we are back to square one.
> 
> Let me reiterate, your excuse that this is for the squeak community
> accross the board, doesn't wash because that is exactly what 3.11 new
> process is designed for.
> 
> Keith
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