[Release] Re: 3.11 liaison change

[Klaus D. Witzel]

On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:25:35 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote:

> Okay okay, i'm taking back my rants :)

But if the work/usage (and existing facilities like automated status email  
reports) are soo invisible to you and perhaps others, what would you like  
to see happen?

Perhaps the "greeting" page of bugs.squeak.org can be changed so the new  
visitors, coming from the link on www.squeak.org (or so), immediately gets  
an idea of what s/he can find?

@Ken, what do you think: can the status(es) which talk about work in  
progress (testing) be explained by the comment on the "greeting" page.

/Klaus

> 2009/7/3 Klaus D. Witzel :
>> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:25:42 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>>
>>> Some words about Mantis.
>>>
>>> Keith, Klaus, you are right that Maintis is useful tool for
>>> 1. identifying problem (by placing a ticket)
>>> 2. provide a possible fix (and discuss it in comments, whether the
>>> provided solution good or bad)
>>> 3. finally mark it as fixed or reject it, or forgot about it and let
>>> it rot there for years.
>>>
>>> but i see a little gap here between usual Squeak user & those who
>>> contribute to Mantis.
>>>
>>> There is no sense of continuous process/progress, because we don't
>>> have some form of digests, which could in compressed form,
>>
>> 1] dial bugs.squeak.org
>> 2] go main view "view issues"
>> 3] click the "status" field and select, for example "testing"
>> 4] then submit; the list is long, page through it
>>
>> I'm quite sure that Keith' builder process could send/flood such  
>> reports to
>> you inbox, in such a way that you don't even have to move your a**  
>> around ;)
>>
>> What's the point Igor, that a tool like Mantis does not send you an  
>> email ?
>> then I could not care less (!)
>>
>>> simply & straighly announce about latest fixes which has been approved
>>> & going into the image.
>>
>> Have you overlooked the new status values that Ken added to Mantis (or  
>> so)
>> on request of the release team?
>>
>>> That's why i think, for anyone who not using/reading/watching Mantis
>>> on a regular basis, its seems like nothing happens and we're stalling.
>>
>> Yes "we" (in form of you) look stalled. Not going out and fetching the
>> information that exists is indistinguishable from stalling.
>>
>>> Its just goes from a common sense: how much time a developer should
>>> spend in order to stay in touch with Squeak?
>>> Should he go to the bug tracker each time and open each issue and read
>>> each comment to see if there any progress?
>>
>> Sould the developer go to his inbox and read an email ? what are you  
>> telling
>> Igor ?