[Seaside-dev] Re: seaside sources ....

[Julian Fitzell]

Hi James,

I like to think the Seaside community is generally pretty welcoming,
so I'm a little surprised by the strength of the response you
received.

That said, I'm equally confused by your opinion on the difficulty of
obtaining source code. And your statement that this is one of the
reasons you are building a new Smalltalk (or at least the tone that
comes across) suggests an alarming amount of frustration with what
seems like a very simple task: getting the source is just a matter of
downloading it. There are Seaside users all over the world and every
single one of them has a copy of the source.

The latest Seaside 3.0 alpha can be installed by picking from a list
on VA Smalltalk and VisualWorks and it's not so hard to download an
install script for Squeak/Pharo. The stable version 2.8 is available
as a one-click downloadable image on the website. All of these would
provide easy access to source. Presumably if you are planning on
porting Seaside, you have (or at least plan to have) a Seaside image
somewhere...? You're going to need some process to bring in code more
than once if you want to have bugfixes, etc.

If we're all misunderstanding the issues you are having, though, I do
hope you'll try again to explain.

Cheers,

Julian

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:43 PM, James Ladd <james_ladd at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Randal,
>
> I'm not creating Redline Smalltalk because I don't like to file things
> in or out, but because I want to take Smalltalk and Seaside to the JVM
> where I hope they will gain more popularity, and where the community will
> gain,
> and continue to grow.
>
> I'm not lazy, but if I had the sources I would have attached them to the
> email
> and spent less time writing 'negative' sentiment.  I am wanting classic
> ST80, but Ill use
> the "one or two clicks" approach.
>
> Thank you for your warm welcome.
>
> Rgs, James.
>
>
>> To: james_ladd at hotmail.com
>> CC: seaside-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>> Subject: Re: [Seaside-dev] Re: seaside sources ....
>> From: merlyn at stonehenge.com
>> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:49:34 -0800
>>
>> >>>>> "James" == James Ladd <james_ladd at hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>> James> The barrier to entry to Seaside is high, given the steps I need to
>> get
>> James> the source.
>>
>> On the contrary, the "source" to Seaside is already encoded in formats
>> that
>> make it one or two clicks to install on all modern Smalltalk versions
>> already.
>>
>> James> One of the reasons Im creating Redline Smalltalk.
>>
>> Really? You're creating a new Smalltalk just because you think it's
>> hard to get the source to Seaside? That seems... confused.
>>
>> James> With respect, could someone just email me the sources in a zip/tar?
>> James> james underscore ladd at hotmail dot com
>>
>> Maybe it's because none of us has it in the format you want already.
>>
>> Not sure what else you want for free.
>>
>> Seriously, I was wanting to help you when you first started posting this
>> query, but this message now says that you're too lazy to help. Good luck
>> with
>> your quest.
>>
>> Keep in mind that you haven't said whether you want these source
>> files in classic ST80 fileout format or GST flat file format, which
>> are not compatible with each other. Or maybe some new independent
>> file format.
>>
>> And perhaps you also don't realize that "Seaside" is not one entity,
>> but a series of packages, some of which are optional.
>>
>> Seriously sir, step back and describe what you really want, and you
>> might get help.
>>
>> --
>> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777
>> 0095
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