[Seaside] OSCON report

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Sun Jul 30 18:10:00 UTC 2006

Please do it and ask to get this image publish on seaside.st


On 30 juil. 06, at 17:36, Ramon Leon wrote:

>> - The browser
>> - The workspace
>> - Saving, loading, and merging in Monticello
>> - The basics of Seaside (a revamped "Walk on the Seaside"  
>> tutorial  would be fine)
>> Avi
> You're absolutely correct, but I think you need to cover a little  
> more ground on Smalltalk...
>  - A small lesson in image style development and maintenance, this  
> is a HUGE change for them and needs to be addressed. For a newbie  
> the image is far to easy to crash and recovering changes from the  
> change log isn't something that just jumps out at you, I lost quite  
> a bit of code before discovering the change log.
>  - Publishing a Seaside app using Apache/Stunnel.  They'll freak  
> when they find out Squeak can't do SSL natively, best to  
> acknowledge that early and get them thinking of Seaside as sort of  
> a dynamic page generation framework that you use in conjunction  
> with Apache/Stunnel. If they're coming from a windows background  
> where "lot's of little tools that work well together" is not how  
> things are normally done, they're going to expect Squeak to do  
> everything, I did.
> If you do a custom image, there's a few packages that I think a web  
> developer would appreciate pre-installed beyond Seaside/Scriptaculous
>  - KeyBinder
>  - ODBC
>  - PieChart
>  - PlotMorph
>  - Shout
>  - eCompletion
>  - SoapCoreClient
>  - Yaxo
> With maybe a few pre-bound hot keys to get the environment going  
> for them, say for launching Monticello, or maybe opening a browser/ 
> transcript/workspace and sizing them appropriately giving it a more  
> traditional IDE feel.  Make them feel more comfortable until they  
> get a deeper grasp on how all this stuff really works.  Maybe even  
> Cee's Refractoring Browser with most of the Smalltalk categories  
> hidden and only Seaside categories visible initially, might make it  
> seem less daunting.
> I think there is a mainstream audience for Seaside as well, I've  
> been showing it off at work lately and interest seems high, people  
> are sick of traditional style web development, most just don't know  
> better things exist.  It'd be nice if Smalltalk made a resurgence  
> by showing them the way.  I know I'm hooked, this is the language  
> for me, nothing else even comes close.
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