[Seaside] Seaside / smalltalk: tools and scalability

Chris Muller asqueaker at gmail.com
Wed Apr 18 03:14:35 UTC 2007

For 3.9, I've built an image with lots of bug fixes and IDE
improvements.  It has working refactoring*, syntax highlighting,
auto-completion, method tracing, type-inferring navigation, reduced
browser proliferation, and invertible-color brightness (e.g., white on
black).  It's a good-looking and very productive development image.

I've not shared it, but I should.  I've just uploaded it to my
personal page on the swiki.


Good luck.

 - Chris

* The "classic" refactoring features appended to the standard menus
work.  The 3.9 cascaded menu with refactoring options do not seem to
be finished..

On 4/17/07, Jared Nuzzolillo <jared at protoscript.net> wrote:
> Greetings friends.
> As a web developer and passionate programmer, I am completely enamored with
> dynamic languages. Sadly, I have little experience with smalltalk. I've
> written some toy smalltalk code in the past, but most of my relevant
> knowledge derives from my ruby experience and smalltalk reading material.
> I've been considering delving back into smalltalk, but recent changes at
> work have encouraged me to delve into it sooner rather than later.
> To get started, I skimmed some tutorials, watched some videos and downloaded
> the Developer Image mentioned on this page:
> http://seaside.st/Download/Images/.
>  So, here are some questions:
> 1. Should refactoring using the R button on the Class Browser work? As a
> test, I tried to rename the stop method of the WAKom class? I get an error
> message to the effect of "doesNotUnderstand #getArgumentPermutation". Is
> there some other image I should use? I am running windows for development. I
> am open to using another, free VM instead of Squeak, if it works better out
> of the box. I need a rich class and method browser, refactoring, debugging,
> syntax highlighting and preferably code completion. I don't mind installing
> "packages" to the image either.
> 2. Are there any examples of Seaside (or another, similar smalltalk based
> server) running heavy-load sites? What is the largest (in terms of load)
> site and what sort of traffic does it receive (or alexa rating if
> available)? Is it trivial to set up? Part of this exercise is to determine
> whether moving to Smalltalk is a viable solution performance-wise as opposed
> to moving to java as is currently being planned by my employer.
> 3. I absolutely need to have good source control that will work for, say,
> two dozen developers working on one project. Is there some thing nice that
> works with #1 above?
> 4. Is there any educational material I just "have to" devour? A video?
> Tutorial or pdf? A classic text?
> Thank you, all. I am really exciting to begin this journey, and I hoping to
> get a head start from your collective wisdom.
> Best wishes,
> Jared
> ps. I realize 1 and 3 are somewhat off topic, but, since I thought there
> might be a "turnkey" (hate that word ;)) solution, I thought it'd be ok to
> ask.
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