[Seaside] Komanche ?

Adrian Lienhard adi at netstyle.ch
Mon Oct 12 08:56:48 UTC 2009 

Hi Ramiro,

Yes, this is an issue of the Mac VM only.

It was reported in the sense that I sent a mail with instructions to  
reproduce the problem to the Squeak-vm mailing list and John  
acknowledged the problem. I don't know whether John intends to fix  
this, though.

Adrian

On Oct 11, 2009, at 22:06 , Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
> I did open both images with the same VM.   I am sure this must be the
> problem then.  As I said in one of the mails, the problem in my case  
> went
> away when I bounced all the images.
> It only happens in the Mac VM then?
> Do we need to report this bug somewhere or is it already reported?
> Cheers
>
> r
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi at netstyle.ch>  
> wrote:
>
>> Did you open another image with the same VM? There is a wired  
>> behavior of
>> the Mac VM that makes the second image listen on the same ports as  
>> the
>> already running image. This may (or may not) be related.
>>
>> See
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2009-June/002726.html
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2009, at 17:18 , Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote:
>>
>> Robert, can you see your port still listening with this command ?
>>>
>>> sudo lsof -i -P | grep -i listen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat
>>> <ramiro at diaztrepat.name>wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, if Robert still has an image with the issue and if he does not  
>>> mind
>>>> giving it away for autopsy, maybe someone could look at it :)May  
>>>> be John
>>>> Macintosh can help us.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Robert Sirois <watchlala at hotmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm running the latest mac vm as well. I believe I attempted the  
>>>> same
>>>>> things to no avail.
>>>>>
>>>>> RS
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:39:37 +0200
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Komanche ?
>>>>>> From: renggli at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use the same configuration with the 4.1.1beta2U VM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lukas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/10/11 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro at diaztrepat.name>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Correlation does not mean causality, I know.  But in my case  
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> happened
>>>>>
>>>>>> right after saving my image, although I had saved it many times  
>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> without issues.
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ramiro at diaztrepat.name>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Lukas,
>>>>>>>> I am using the latest Pharo, and I have loaded Seaside with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ScriptLoader
>>>>>
>>>>>> loadSeaside30. I am using it on a Mac with Leopard.
>>>>>>>> I have managed to reuse that port, with random tests and I do  
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>
>>>>>> there may be causality here, but I will tell you anyway what I  
>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>>> When this happens, I removed the problematic adaptor from the  
>>>>>>>> Seaside
>>>>>>>> Control Panel and created a new one (on the same port), then  
>>>>>>>> I tried
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> closing
>>>>>
>>>>>> the image and restarting and it did not fix the problem.   
>>>>>> Although
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>
>>>>>> closed another non Seaside image I was running and then  
>>>>>> restarted the
>>>>>>>> problematic image it worked.
>>>>>>>> I wonder now if it is not a mac vm issue or socket issue.   
>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are you
>>>>>
>>>>>> also running on a mac?
>>>>>>>> In spite I got the image working again, it is quite worring  
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>
>>>>>> don't know the cause when an image stops answering requests  
>>>>>> (although
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> image itself was not hanged at all and kept working fine), and,  
>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>
>>>>>> of all, there is no exception or trace of a fault happening.   
>>>>>> This is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>
>>>>>> what is making me wonder if it is not a low level socket issue  
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>
>>>>>> gets to the image for it to throw an exception or anything at  
>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> r
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ps: I'm cross posting to Pharo because I believe this is not a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seaside
>>>>>
>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Robert Sirois <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> watchlala at hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm using Pharo 1.0.10419, but I'm not sure how to check the  
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> two. I
>>>>>
>>>>>> think I'm still running 2.9 in the image I checked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:30:37 +0200
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Komanche ?
>>>>>>>>>> From: renggli at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've never seen this problem before.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What version of Pharo? Kom? Seaside?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lukas
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/11 Robert Sirois <watchlala at hotmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've also had this problem for quite a while now and have  
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>
>>>>>> any way to fix the problem either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> RS
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro at diaztrepat.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Something really strange happened to me more than once  
>>>>>>>>>>> now.In a
>>>>>>>>>>>> simple dev
>>>>>>>>>>>> image (Pharo + Seaside3 + Kom on a Mac) after saving the  
>>>>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>
>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> point, Komanche stops answering anything at all,  
>>>>>>>>>>>> althought the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> port
>>>>>
>>>>>> keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>> listening (as listed on a terminal).
>>>>>>>>>>>> No errors are displayed anywere but the port becomes  
>>>>>>>>>>>> unusable
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> point on.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I wish to continue using the same image I have to add  
>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>> adaptor in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Seaside Control Panel and start again.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The "dead" ports never become usable again, not even  
>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>>>>> the adaptor and adding a new one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not even sure that this is a Komanche issue, as I  
>>>>>>>>>>>> said no
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> error
>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> anykind is visible.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone come across this before?
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