[Setools] Gjallar: extracting features

[Adrian Lienhard]

Hi Chris,

Have you tried the OmniBrowser tools that come with 3.9?

I don't know Tracing Messages Browse, but it seems that the new OB  
sender/implementor inspectors do exactly this...
Also, the classes in the selected category are displayed in a hierarchy.

It seems that people don't know these new tool very well although  
they are very cool and should be pushed further. There are still a  
few issues but after using them for a couple of months now, I  
wouldn't want to go back to the old ones.

Adrian

On Feb 9, 2007, at 04:20 , Chris Muller wrote:

> Hi Thierry, indeed, the breadth and depth of all the Squeak projects
> and code out there is truly massive and intimidating.
>
> One thing that has helped me grok others code and my own is having
> improved the productivity of the tools for code exploration.  The
> Hierachy Browser and Tracing Messages Browser have served me well for
> years for this.  You can load Tracing Messages Browser from
> SqueakSource for 3.9 or SqueakMap for 3.8 or earlier.  There are
> certainly other tools too, but the point is I've noticed how many new
> (and some veteran!) Squeakers have developed a habit of using only
> Package Browsers and then scrolling and clicking around in those to
> browse and edit code.
>
> And, sadly, this obsession with Package Browsers has gotten worse in
> 3.9 because you can't even make Hierarchy Browser the default anymore!
> Its really boggling at how difficult it is to simply focus on the
> *class-model* instead of always just the package-organization..  So I
> usually find 3.8 better for groking code (at least until I get time to
> fix up 3.9)..
>
> There is one other small enhancement that has, in my dev image, paid
> good dividends.  "Code Editor Enhancements" on SqueakMap allow me to
> browse *from* anywhere I might be, *to* anywhere I could logically  
> want
> to go from that place.  Like, if I'm viewing a method, update:
> aCustomer, I can double-click the text, "aCustomer", press a hot key,
> and the Customer hierarchy opens up..
>
> The idea is by being able to navigate quickly without having to hunt,
> scroll, click, click, scroll, and click, my train of thought is not
> disrupted and I digest code much more quickly.
>
> I think your idea about a skeleton application with base "user/role"
> functionality is a good one; seems like most applications have that
> doesn't it?
>
> Cheers,
>   Chris
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:03:44 -0700
>> From: "Thierry Thelliez" <thierry.thelliez.tech at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Setools] Gjallar: extracting features
>> To: goran at krampe.se, "Software Engineering Tools for Squeak"
>> 	<setools at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
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>> For the last few days I have been trying to understand the Gjallar
>> code. I like the Seaside-Magma approach. As mentioned somewhere else
>> the code base could serve as an example for other applications.
>> Trying
>> to catchup with all this code is quite overwhelming.
>>
>>> From my point of view, it would be great to see a subset of the
>> application featuring just enought to have a user interface for the
>> administrator role to login and create other users (different roles).
>> The created users should be able to login/logout. This would be a
>> great starting point to demonstrate several aspects including the
>> Seaside-Magma approach. Most of the web applications I am interested
>> in start with these features.
>>
>>
>> Just some thoughts.
>> Thierry
>>
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