My apologies to those who quiet on the matter, but I'd like to add my voice.

The only way I see forward is to eliminate all fascism, terrorism and
racism. And one way of moving toward that is through educating normal people
so they don't put up with it. (Going back to Andrea's original email)

I'd like to see all people put a stop to their funding and supporting of
terrorist, fascistic and racist regimes and that includes US people. (Let's
face it, are the US going to bomb the US for funding certain Irish people
for the last 30 years ?).

Regards,
Gary






----- Original Message -----
From: "Bijan Parsia" <bparsia at email.unc.edu>
To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [rant] Re: [OT] Will the SSSCA outlaw Squeak?


> This is just the wrong place, folks. Wrong wrong wrong. There are many
> many places to discuss these things.
>
> I, however, feel very strongly that I must oppose, vocally, racist
> claptrap whenever it occurs where I am present.
>
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Rob Withers wrote:
> [snip]
> > At it's core, this is about two civilizations clashing for dominance
> > in the world.  One is a progressive, free, liberal society, supporting
> > modern concepts such as equal opportunity for women and low barriers
> > to social mobility.  The other is an anachronistic, conservative
> > culture, that is "in mortal fear" that our culture undermines their
> > basis for existence.  How can they effectively maintain a cruel system
> > of government (check out Amnesty International if you are interested
> > in the way Taliban, for example, executes governance of it's state),
> > if their people are aware of our freedoms.  Only by calling us as the
> > Great Satan and declaring Jihad.  Nothing else is rational to their
> > minds.
>
> This is total bullshit. I will NOT debate it. Rob said it, and I hearby
> oppose it. That doesn't mean I endore the Taliban or its horror, but the
> old "two civilization" line is simply a lie.
>
> [snip]
> > Let us consider the current events in this light and realize that the
> > perceived abuses in the world, by the reigning superpower, is balanced
> > by two things.  The US' "Marshall Plans" to clean up historically
> > Germany, Japan, and Europe, and more recently many other countries in
> > the world.  The scale of abuses by countries such as Afghanistan far,
> > far outweigh our actions, IMHO.
>
> More 1 million dead in Iraq as a direct result of our clearly illegal
> actions, actions which had such destruction as its intent.
>
> >  Consider how the Taliban came to
> > power and how they have solidified that power.
>
> By US support. Yes.
>
> [snip]
> > sorry for dragging this on, but in this case I hereby turn in my suit
> > of liberalism and go hard-line conservative.
>
> Fine. Do it elsewhere.
>
> If anyone has a problem, or wants backing evidence for wha t I wrote,
> contact me off list. If anyone provides even marginally convicing
> arguments and evidence that I'm wrong, I will publically recant. Now, if
> we all agree to be quiet on list about this, I shall be happier and I
> shall not feel forced to get in everyone's face.
>
> Cheers,
> Bijan Parsia.
>
>
>
>