Pink Plane vs Blue Plane

Germán S. Arduino gsa at
Wed Feb 12 10:35:05 UTC 2003

Hi Folks:

I'm an inexperienced smalltalker yet, but in this topic, I think that may be
are talking about differents things.

Diego is talking about the inevitable inestability and lack of compatibility
of the things that are being developed today and used to develop today (not
merely about bad wroted software).

Some people (myself included) is grumbling when don't find the proper
documentation to speed the learning of squeak or when something made in one
version doesn't work in another (remember modules in 3.3 and trying to load
a project coming of 3.2).

Seem that a stable, ready to develop business apps environment isn't
compatible with an place to play and create new ideas.

Justo my two cents.


Germán S. Arduino

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephane Ducasse" <ducasse at>
To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
<squeak-dev at>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Pink Plane vs Blue Plane

> These goals are, imho, incompatible between them.  If we want to see
> the
> next shift, let's forget about compatibility, stability, documentacion,
> etc.  On the other side, if we want to see a "solid" smalltalk to
> create "standard" business applications, let's forget about eToys,
> Croquet,
> etc.
I do not believe in this separation. As a person experimenting with new
object model
I need (just ask nathanael face to face his point of view) a non buggy
parser, a good AST, a customisable compiler....Should I continue?

So there is no opposition of principle. I think that after any
expansion phase a consolidation pahse is required. Even if as Andreas
pointed out we may have tocuhed the limits of traditional
object models. Still spaghetti code is spaghetti code.

> I have not a clear position on it but if I'm force to choose I'll
> choose to
> work in the next paradigm shift. Meanwhile we can use another
> Smalltalk to
> create "standard" applications.
> Cheers,
> Diego Gomez Deck
Prof. Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse at
  "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do
  different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today
  might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes

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