That said, for those of you interested that are coming to Ecoop or 
OOPSLA, there might be a workshop that interests you (and is about the 
topics that interest you):

(1) at Ecoop: 2nd Workshop on Object-Oriented Language Engineering for 
the Post-Java Era: Back to Dynamicity (workshop 5). URL: 
http://prog.vub.ac.be/~wdmeuter/PostJava04/ . Paper deadline is today 
(April 5th), but I am sure you can try for an extension.

(2) at OOPSLA: Proposals for workshops are submitted. One amongst them 
is similar to the Ecoop one. We'lle see whether it gets accepted :-)

(3) at ESUG: No problem there; if there is enough interest before I 
will allocate a slot from the beginning. If not, people can add a slot 
themselves in our dynamically allocated afternoon sessions.

There is excellent people around at the three occasions. So submit a 
paper and make sure they tackle the problems you find interesting :-)

On 04 Apr 2004, at 11:00, stéphane ducasse wrote:

> But ECOOP is really an academic conference. You will nearly meet no 
> developers other than academic.
> The percentage at ECOOP is 10% developper compared to OOPSLA where in 
> the past ist was 30% acdemics. ESUG is more 60% developper.
>
> Stef
>
>
> On 4 avr. 04, at 10:30, Julian Fitzell wrote:
>
>> stéphane ducasse wrote:
>>>>
>>>> :(  Andrew and I were hoping to have work send us to ESUG but it 
>>>> doesn't look like it's going to happen...  organizational 
>>>> restructuring strikes again!
>>> To bad because there are still a lot of smalltalker developers in 
>>> Germany and this is Georg Heeg
>>> is organizing and we are planning to have a business day. But yes 
>>> money is the key.
>>
>> He he... I just re-read this thread and realized we were talking 
>> about ESUG, not ECOOP, which is how I first read it.  But if they 
>> won't send us to one, they won't send us to the other either so my 
>> main point still holds, which is that we won't be there... :)
>>
>> Oh man, just got back from a week in tobago and apparently I already 
>> need another vacation... :D
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Roel Wuyts                                                              
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