ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Thu Dec 16 21:53:48 UTC 2004
I'm not an old and may be not representative member (I'm french you
know) but I think that:
- this would be great to be able to buy a squeak distro with all the
I discussed with kim and she said that squeakland people would love to
see that happening and that
they would not have any problem if someone would make money selling
squeak distro since it would give a professional flavor to squeak.
(any taker? you could reuse what we did via esug cd and marcus dvd)
- I always said to avi for example that I would love to be able to pay
him something like 100$ a year (this is not too much but if we are 50
this starts to count. Because of course I could help improve MC but may
be I'm not good
enough or too busy creating the new generation of cool stuff and money
represents my agreement that something is valuable. So I would love to
be able to spend our money into the software that I use the most and
this way contribute to the wealth of the people that are helping my
life. Because if you receive money for something you will be inclined
to make it better. and only people willing to pay can pay and other
just use it.
- We have been discussing about creating a real structure to gather
money so that the web site looks
more as a cool and professional one (and other stuff). Because certain
people (and even researchers) have problems
when they said that they use Squeak (even us with all our cool
papers). So it occurred to us that
if Squeak would have a 2005 looking website (like the one of mozilla
for example). Then suddenly
without changing anything else we would be doing something much cooler
(programming in Squeak).
This may be naive but I know some guys trying to work professionally
with Squeak that avoid to
point their clients to www.squeak.org because this could be a way to
On 16 déc. 04, at 22:37, Michael Latta wrote:
> This brings up something I was thinking about recently. Is it kosher
> to charge for enhancements to Squeak? Even if you adhere to the
> letter of the license, is it socially acceptable to this community.
> What if the next release of MC cost $5, what if a JIT cost $25. By
> the time you purchased various pieces you would be into real money.
> On the other hand money motivates. But, given all the work already
> placed in Squeak, can the late-comers ask for money given what they
> are receiving already there in the community? Many contributions may
> come from funded research, where this is not an issue. I would like
> to know what some old and new members think.
> On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:46 PM, stéphane ducasse wrote:
>> Have you tried to set up a collect?
>> How much money do you think would help to boost it?
>>> Michael Latta writes:
>>>> What is the status of any effort to implement a JIT or other
>>>> from bytecode to native execution?
>>> I'm working on a JIT like project called Exupery. Currently it's 10%
>>> slower than VW for the bytecode benchmark. Hopefully it will be
>>> in about a month. (VW is much faster for sends but I haven't yet
>>> started optimising them.)
>>> The compiler is written in Smalltalk. It's uncommented but there are
>>> a lot of tests.
>>> Lyndon is investigating a Windows port. There is also people
>>> interested in porting to the PPC.
>>> It's just a lot of work and there are only so many weekends per
>>> week. With funding work would go a lot faster.
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