Serious Squeak (other "survey")
tim at rowledge.org
Sun Oct 15 04:28:31 UTC 2006
On 14-Oct-06, at 5:02 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
> No argument there, but some of us do things that require meeting
> expectations imposed from the outside. To be blunt, I'd expect you
> would be glad we would like to do it using Squeak.
Oh absolutely I'd prefer to see people doing it in Squeak, no doubt
about that at all. What I dislike intensely is that 'expectations
imposed from the outside' bit. The pressure for stultifying,
dehumanising unformity is .... well, I dunno. Horrible.
> But if you really want host-like UI, try wxSqueak. If you want
> multiple host windows with the option to draw your own within those
> windows, try using the Ffenestri code. Come on guys, if this is
> important to you, put some damn effort into it.
> At the risk of sounding a bit hostile, Jim Benson "put some damn
> into it" and was treated horribly IMHO.
Not by me so far as I recall. I thought it was a valiant effort and I
really liked jim's sense of humour too. After all the requests from
people for a windows-ish UI suite I thought it was ridiculous that no-
one amongst the requestors appeared to want to join in. I loaded it
and tried it out but it was more than a bit weird running a windows
look on a RISC OS machine!
> I know it is not a popular
> statement (or at least it wasn't the last time I pointed it out), but
> there is still a glass ceiling in terms of affecting Squeak. If you
> want people to "put some damn effort" into Squeak, the leaders
> needs to
> "put some damn effort" into reviewing their work. Reject it if you
> will, but do not ignore it.
Time, Bill, time. Like most of us I'm swamped most of the time. I get
to look at a few of the things I'm interested in and that's it.
Mostly I do VM and low level stuff so I look at that and I can't even
cover all of that tiny area. Other people claim interest and passion
about various aspect of UIs and I can only leave it for them to look
at it. I wish I had time to do UI stuff since that is what I
originally got my M.Des and IBM fellowship for.
Anyone can become a leader. If you have some combination of
knowledge, experience, raw talent, drive, interest, persuasiveness,
available time, charisma, money... whatever... that adds up to either
getting stuff done yourself or getting other people to get stuff done
to your design, spec, or wishes you can make a difference. I bet
every person that bothers to read this list can summon up at least
several of those qualities.
tim Rowledge; tim at rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
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