Smalltalk and Java

Andreas Raab andreas.raab at
Sun Nov 11 20:20:09 UTC 2007

Cees de Groot wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2007 12:13 AM, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at> wrote:
>> Yes, I understand the same. And I wish it were different...
> Why - because Microsoft is The Bad Guy and Sun is The Good Guy?

No, it's because I need to run on a variety of platforms and I need 
cross-platform libraries to work with. The last time I checked both 
wasn't the case for .NET and both was the case for Java. Other than that 
I don't care very much although MS' stance on Mono and patents does 
nothing to convince me that the patent suits won't hit the fan at some 

   - Andreas

> We have two power houses in a battle for who can produce the best
> generic virtual machine. Dynamic languages are on the rise, I bet that
> dynamic language support will be way way better in 1-2 years in the
> JVM simply because the Jay guys can't sit still while the Dot guys are
> extending the functionality of their platform. The major IDE out there
> (I think), Eclipse, starts to look and feel more and more like a
> Smalltalk environment, and in some respects even better (with all the
> static type info, the RB on Eclipse rocks!).
> I think we, the Dynamic OO Language Bunch, are doing quite well, actually ;)
> But getting back on topic: I have seen a handful of Smalltalk-on-JVM
> implementations, and they all sucked performance-wise. I wouldn't
> spend a lot of time doing yet another attempt until JVM support got
> better, and until that time if it is for phones, you're screwed, learn
> Java, if it is for research, .NET might be the thing.

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