I have always tracked it and been curious but the bar seemed too high to get
started - however having a nice looking default image with a good range of
tools that compare nicely "with the competition" suddenly made it easier to
get started and start using lots of the good stuff available.

I agree with you

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Tim M <365nice at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Damien,
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Ramon Leon <ramon.leon at allresnet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I'm aware of this problem and I already tried to push the Rio
>>>> package this way. I think I failed because I don't see much activity
>>>> around Rio. So maybe an inclusion in dev-images is not enough to
>>>> advert a package. I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Damien Cassou
>>>>
>>> I'd hate to see the dev image become a showroom for packages, I'd
>>> rather see it continue to be loaded with stuff most developers would
>>> load anyway.  A package should probably be fairly popular and useful
>>> to even be considered for inclusion in the dev image because as soon
>>> as I have to start taking things out of it, I'll stop using it and go
>>> back to building my own.
>>>
>>> This is the conclusion I also arrived at. However, things are not
>> properly defined: how do you determine the popularity of a package?
>> what is the threshold?
>>
>
> From a newcomers perspective - your images showcase whats possible from a
>>
> developers point of view in Squeak. My early experiences of Squeak put me
> off for several years - it was an eyesore that only a mother could love
> (sorry to be brutal). As a professional programmer used to other tools like
> Eclipse, Visual Studio, Dolphin, Visual Age - the bar is quite high and
> Squeak struggles to attract new blood in its default incarnation.
>
> I have always tracked it and been curious but the bar seemed too high to
> get started - however having a nice looking default image with a good range
> of tools that compare nicely "with the competition" suddenly made it easier
> to get started and start using lots of the good stuff available.
>
> It seems like the squeak gurus would always start with a pure image and
> load up what they want becuase they know whats available and how to do that
> - I still struggle learning all the idioms and where to look so having a
> rich starting point is a great help.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>


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