[squeak-dev] Re: Simple Frame Adornments - default value (was: unsaved changes indicator)

Chris Muller asqueaker at gmail.com
Wed Mar 3 22:22:22 UTC 2010

Ok, thanks for speaking up, I just didn't know whether there was any
voice at all for the new look.

And please don't get me wrong, I am *all for* better form.  And I even
agree, this one "looks" better, artistically.  It's just that some of
the 3.11 improvements to form have come at a cost to function, and
THAT, in itself, can sometimes detracts from form somewhat (i.e.,
greater function has implicitly better form).  Perhaps we considered
making the ugly solid-line red-frame simply look better, like with
three progressively-more translucent rectangles, each inset one pixel
of the outer?  Or maybe a combination of the two looks, one
(translucent?) line combined with the new (corner) look.

Since your -1 is big and fat, I consider it the winner of the vote and
I'll adjust my own Preference file accordingly.  Going forward, if we
can find ways to have our cake and eat it too, it would be better than
having introduce a yet another Preference that forces one to choose
between form and function.

 - Chris

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de> wrote:
> On 3/3/2010 12:40 PM, Chris Muller wrote:
>> Thanks for adding the preference, but unfortunately the default is
>> false such that the new way still presses in for each new image.
>> In the original thread, there were two people who expressed this was a
>> "step backward" for them, but there were no proponents for the change
>> voiced.  Therefore, unless there are strong objectors who can make
>> some arguments for, I'd like to put the default value for this to
>> restore the default functionality that has been there for years.
>> 3.11 has suffered several usability degradations over 3.9 in terms of
>> the UI.  I would like to begin addressing them, starting with this
>> one.
> A big fat -1 from me. From my perspective the rectangular frame is ugly.
> Simple as that. It's visually unpleasant and in conflict with the rest of
> the window and the default shouldn't be that. If the new cue is too subtle
> to be of use for you personally, that's what we got preferences for, but I
> think we should at least *try* to get a teenie weenie bit less heinous in
> the default L&F.
> Cheers,
>  - Andreas

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