[squeak-dev] Re: [Election] Candidate list with 11 candidates is final, 6 days until election starts!

Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.nice at gmail.com
Sat Mar 6 09:01:02 UTC 2010

2010/3/6 Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com>:
> Hi Miguel, you have been down this road before with the folks here.
> You seem to be terribly interested in Squeak's direction and future.
> Thank you for that!  Respectfully, instead of highlighting the
> differences in our approaches, I would be more interested in hearing
> your thoughts about the part of Squeak that interests you, and how we
> might help the Pharo team achieve harvestation.
> Imagine the (oh so remote  :) possibility, that even a
> positive-feedback loop could form; whereby Pharo's harvestation of the
> interesting part(s) of Squeak, facilitated Squeak to harvest back the
> modularized/enhanced version for itself.
> Cherry-picking these "interesting" bits back and forth, while
> maintaining each our individual core-missions, could end resulting in
> both communities going further.
> Kind Regards,
>  Chris

Though I find Miguel's argument unfounded and bellicose, this is at
least a good spin off, thank you Chris for elevating the debate!

The first thing I'd like to see is minimum coordination to adopt a
common package delimitation.


> 2010/3/5 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez <miguel.coba at gmail.com>:
>> El vie, 05-03-2010 a las 23:14 +0100, Michael Haupt escribió:
>>> Miguel,
>>> Am 05.03.2010 um 22:04 schrieb Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez <miguel.coba at gmail.co
>>> m>:
>>> >> Seriously, I see your point, and I think we agree that it really
>>> >> boils
>>> >> down to interest.
>>> >
>>> > Exactly. And that is precisely the issue that Pharo is solving. Squeak
>>> > don't give a cent about other uses outside of educational ones.
>>> that is nonsense.
>> Oh yes? Well, what is Etoys? From the squeakland page:
>> Etoys is . . .
>>      * an educational tool for teaching children powerful ideas in
>>        compelling ways
>>      * a media-rich authoring environment and visual programming system
>>      * a free software program that works on almost all personal
>>        computers
>> First than anything "educational tool".
>> Then Squeak refuses to remove Etoys from base image, even is in process
>> the update and resync of Etoys with upstream squeakland code.
>> If the board refuses to remove etoys that is for me that they have a
>> preference for the educational use of squeak than the commercial use of
>> squeak.
>> Is that non-sense?
>> --
>> Miguel Cobá
>> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

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