[squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] Re: [Squeak 4.0] RC3 is out

Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.nice at gmail.com
Sun Mar 14 21:17:19 UTC 2010

2010/3/14 Ken G. Brown <kbrown at mac.com>:
> Well, I disagree with the decision.
> You had at least two available starting points, 3.10.2 and 3.10.2-build, -buiild was clearly better and available since June 28, 2009 (before trunk).
> The fixes and additions to 3.10.2 in -build were clearly documented in the info file on the ftp site, Squeak3.10.2-build/090628-1523/090628-1523_Squeak3.10.2-build.info.
> And you all are choosing the one that was inferior as a starting point.
> It's like running a race and intentionally trying for second place.
> But so be it. The community will have to live with the choice.
> Ken G. Brown

Yes, that's an unfortunate waste of time.
If only it were named 3.10.3, then no doubt it would have been a
starting point for both trunk and 4.0.
But 3.10.2-build, what is it ?
You know very well that it results from task assigned to Keith, not
really oriented in producing an updated image but an update process.
So this 3.10.2-build is just a by-product of Keith's process, a proof
of concept. Or is it more than that ? the name does not tell...
The fact that the author retracted any support did not help.
Sure, that could have evolved differently with better communication.
Now, it's too late. Trunk is based on 3.10.2, and basing 4.0 another
starting point will just add un-nexessary complications.
So what do you suggest, erase trunk efforts?


> At 12:02 PM -0700 3/14/10, Randal L. Schwartz apparently wrote:
>> >>>>> "Ken" == Ken G Brown <kbrown at mac.com> writes:
>>Ken> There were some important fixes in Keith's ftp://ftp.squeak.org/3.11-obsolete/Squeak3.10.2-build/
>>Ken> image that would most likely be good to get in the 4.0.
>>In 4.1, yes.  4.0, no.
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