[squeak-dev] about the Viewer for a Morphkarl ramberg karlramberg at gmail.comSun Oct 20 18:06:08 UTC 2019
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:19 PM K K Subbu <kksubbu.ml at gmail.com> wrote: > Karl, > > I recall the tile-based scripting code was designed to introduce > programming concepts to young children (1-5th grade). The stage metaphor > (players, costumers, scripts, timing) are easy for them to understand. > > Once children are old enough to type and use keyboard, they can switch > over to using text and use the full power of Squeak. > > Not sure what you mean by "the premise is flawed". It works very well > for its intended audience. > I mean it's hard to program so to start tile scripting seems like a good idea. But the leverage you get from using tiles is surpassed within a few projects. Anything more complex than 10 scripts or is really cumbersome. Also any complex scripts are also hard to deal with. Text for this is far superior. I'm sure tile scripting has its use but I'm not very motivated to develop and enhance etoys anymore. I used to do a lot of work for the Etoys image for OLPC. Best, Karl > Regards .. Subbu > > On 19/10/19 11:08 PM, karl ramberg wrote: > > I’m not working so much on tile scripting anymore > > > > The main issue is scaleability of tile scripting in regards to writing > > text scripts and programs. I have worked a lot with etoys and while I > > find the concept appealing but I have yet to write anything project > > bigger than a dozen scripts. I find it hard to build bigger stuff. Maybe > > it’s tooling but my main suspicion is that the premise is flawed. > > Text is superior to tiles. Programming is really hard. Writing text > > scales better than tiles because it is less rigid and easier to deal > > with than tiles. > > > > Best, > > Karl > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 at 05:32, Nicola Mingotti <nmingotti at gmail.com > > <mailto:nmingotti at gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Karl, > > > > The feature is very promising. > > > > It would be more than useful, I think it would strike the > > imagination of new potential user if I/whoever would show it in a > > video. > > > > Consider this, in all other languages to keep an eye on a silly > > variable the fastest way is to print in stdout. This is something > > that Typing Joe did thousands of times. > > It is extremely ugly and messy. I keep printing in Transcript myself > > and I dislike it. I do only because it is fast to implement. > > > > If you are working on it let me know when you have reached a > > landmark. I may illustrate the feature in a new video. > > > > bye > > Nicola > > > > > > > > > >> On Oct 18, 2019, at 12:55 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com > >> <mailto:karlramberg at gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> I understand what you talk about now :-) > >> This functionality is experimental. I think it was part of a plan > >> to make tile scripting more general but it never not finished. > >> > >> Best, > >> Karl > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:37 AM Nicola Mingotti > >> <nmingotti at gmail.com <mailto:nmingotti at gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> hi, > >> > >> here is a video explaining the question > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2wn9Yc7P2s&feature=youtu.be > >> > >> > >> bye > >> Nicola > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Oct 17, 2019, at 9:49 AM, karl ramberg > >>> <karlramberg at gmail.com <mailto:karlramberg at gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> I dom't really understand what you ask here. > >>> Could you send a screen shot or something ? > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Karl > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 12:38 AM Nicola Mingotti > >>> <nmingotti at gmail.com <mailto:nmingotti at gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Marcel, > >>> > >>> I understand more or less how to use the Viewer on Players. > >>> > >>> Indeed, I was surprised when I saw that there is a Viewer > >>> for a Morph ! > >>> > >>> And I don't understand at all how this does fit into the > >>> big picture nor how to use it. > >>> > >>> It would be very nice if I could drag out a line from the > >>> Viewer and keep a variable of the Morph under my eyes in > >>> the World, in a tile. > >>> > >>> bye > >>> Nicola > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:40 AM, Marcel Taeumel > >>>> <marcel.taeumel at hpi.de <mailto:marcel.taeumel at hpi.de>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > Is it normal that I don't see the variable value in > >>>> the Viewer window ? > >>>> > >>>> I think you need to click on "viewer for player". > >>>> Players can have scripts, which are constructed from > >>>> those tiles. > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> Marcel > >>>>> > >>>>> Am 16.10.2019 00:14:23 schrieb Nicola Mingotti > >>>>> <nmingotti at gmail.com <mailto:nmingotti at gmail.com>>: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> Please follow these steps: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1] Drag a RectangleMorph into the World > >>>>> 2] Center click over it > >>>>> 3] Select the wrench Halo icon (gray one) > >>>>> 4] Select "Viewer for Morph" > >>>>> > >>>>> I see a lot of properties which I usually control via > >>>>> the Workspace. > >>>>> > >>>>> Let's focus on "Rectangl Center". > >>>>> > >>>>> My questions are: > >>>>> -] Is it normal that I don't see the variable value in > >>>>> the Viewer window ? > >>>>> -] It would be extremely useful if I could just drag > >>>>> out the ViewrMorphLine for "RectangleMorphCenter" into > >>>>> the World . So I could always check (in this case) the > >>>>> center of a Morph. > >>>>> -] More in general, I don't understand how I can use > >>>>> all of these tiles, can anybody give me some hints ? > >>>>> > >>>>> bye > >>>>> > >>>>> Nicola Mingotti > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/attachments/20191020/d18c7fa4/attachment.html>
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