[Squeakfoundation]Yet another volunteer

Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:49:48 -0500

I'll volunteeer too.  I'm a little dated on my ST'ing, just getting back
into it after a 10 year hiatus.  We're using Squeak as an adjunct to our
virtual reality engine, and have great interest in the mechanisms where
Squeak can be used by a community consisting of non-commercial and
commercial users, and there's a mechanism for us commercial folk to "pay
back".  We tried Java, it was a dreadful misteak, we really really want
Squeak to go forward.

For what it's worth, I've also spent the last three years chasing funding
(successfully on a femto scale, but enough...) and my biz-thought is
reasonably well exercised.

Finally, we've got some extra cycles here, in the next few weeks if anyone
can think of something that requires organizational effort and labor but not
rocket science, we've got a guy free.

What I'd like to see come out of the Squeak foundation is a solid plan for
potential _commercial_ use of Squeak, where the entry barriers are like they
are now, nice and low, but there is a mechanism for companies to return
non-competitive components of their squeak investment to the fold.  In our
case, we're planning on releasing all of the scaffolding, macros, and
methodologies we used to integrate Squeak and our VR core.  They benefit us
far more shared with the squeak community than lying around in our code
repositories.

Oh yeah, and count us in for $1K.  We're not rich, but if it weren't for
Squeak, we'd have spent a lot more, or worse yet, might still be having to
futz with Teabag, err, Java.

Regards to all

Mark Mullin/CEO/Vibrant 3D

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you lot! (Luciano
Notarfrancesco)
   2. Re: Re: SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you
       lot! (Bijan Parsia)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:41:00 -0800
From: Luciano Notarfrancesco <luciano@corest.com>
To: dave@bedarra.com, dan@squeakland.org
Cc: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: [Squeakfoundation]Re: SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you lot!
Reply-To: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org

Tim Rowledge wrote:

>      GET OFF YOUR BUTTS

I offer my spare time (which is not much right now, but might be a lot
soon (I'm in Argentina)). I can help with the harvesting. I can also
compile VMs and plugins for Linux, BSD (Open, Free, Net), and Solaris
(in SPARC and x86) and help with porting efforts.

There's a number of projects that I'd like to see done, so I'm willing
to help with them if there's any interest (from SqC and SqF) in having
them done:

o. Replacing the current Streams with Craig's
o. Including Flow (especially NetStream and the ExternalResource hierarchy)

and getting rid of Socket and SerialPort
o. Modularizing the image and producing a minimal image with no UI
o. Simplifying the parse tree nodes (factoring the bytecode generation
code out of them, for instance)

o. Including Tim's new CompiledMethods

o. And other stuff I can't remember now

Cheers,
Luciano.-

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:47:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Bijan Parsia <bparsia@email.unc.edu>
To: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Squeakfoundation]Re: SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you
 lot!
Reply-To: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org

On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Luciano Notarfrancesco wrote:

[snip]
> There's a number of projects that I'd like to see done, so I'm willing
> to help with them if there's any interest (from SqC and SqF) in having
> them done:
>
> o. Replacing the current Streams with Craig's
> o. Including Flow (especially NetStream and the ExternalResource
hierarchy)

Me to. Good to port all existing network apps, too (which isn't nearly as
it sounds). I'd help with that.

I'd even work on completely updating the Squeak networking chapter to
fully document it (and cutting out the older stuff), so there'd be
comprehensive documentation from the get go.

[snip]
> o. Simplifying the parse tree nodes (factoring the bytecode generation
> code out of them, for instance)

Or moving to the RB parser, whatever. I'm *very* into that and would
happily work on a gelled, official, we really mean it, version of
that. Specifically, I'll happily do the work to get all the prettyprinting
browse modes working with the new stuff (and to clean it up a
bit). (Moving to StreamWrappers would be nice, too.)

These seem like tangible, feasible projects to test organization an
procedures. Even better if they demoed modules (since they're both core,
but not *only* core, bits of functionailty).

It reminds me of the Squeak Projects page on the Swiki. A lot of good came
out of it, but somethings withered and enthusism sorta died. Perhaps
something like that again? As a start?

(cough, blockclosures, cough :))

Cheers,
Bijan Parsia.

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