[V3dot10] RE: About Monticello andhttp://bugs.impara.de/squeak/view.php?id=5217

[Ron Teitelbaum]

Hi Bert,

Thanks for the clarification.  What change did you make that allows packages
to be loaded out of order?  I was wrong but I though the problem was that
initialize methods were being run because MC saw the methods as changed from
different repositories.  What you are saying makes sense but why is MCC
loading packages in a different order, and what problem does it solve?

Ron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: v3dot10-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:v3dot10-
> bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bert Freudenberg
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:20 PM
> To: Discussion about development of Squeak 3.10
> Subject: Re: [V3dot10] RE: About Monticello
> andhttp://bugs.impara.de/squeak/view.php?id=5217
> 
> Hi Ron,
> 
> actually you seem to confuse *updating* a config with *installing* it.
> 
> The #initialize problem Andreas and Philippe talked about occurs when
> installing, not when updating. Because the packages are not installed
> in the same order as listed in the configuration, their classes'
> #initialize methods get called in an unpredictable order. That means
> some configs are not loadable, for example, if the first package in
> it adds a new compiler that has to be initialized before even parsing
> the next package.
> 
> What you are proposing makes sense, but is a totally different problem.
> 
> - Bert -
> 
> On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:59 , Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
> 
> > I'm on the list already.  It's not an easy question since both
> > methods are
> > useful.  I suppose the best solution is to change the button so
> > that it does
> > all three methods.
> >
> > 1) Update from Image
> > 2) Get Largest Version Number From Reposistories
> > 3) Update From Repositories in order
> >
> > Or something like that.
> >
> > Otherwise we need to just pick which one is the better.
> >
> > The arguments are good on both sides.  Either we place greater
> > emphasis on
> > version numbers, or we prefer one repository over another.
> > Preferring one
> > repository over another prevents the code from initialize when you
> > are not
> > expecting it.  Preferring higher version numbers allows you to fork
> > a local
> > path for bug fixing temporarily and then move back to the main
> > development
> > repository when the bug in integrated back in.
> >
> > I suggest we put all three methods in, maybe with better names, so
> > that we
> > can get the best of both worlds, as long as everyone agrees that
> > it's not
> > too complicated.
> >
> > Ron Teitelbaum
> >
> >> From: Edgar J. De Cleene
> >>
> >> Ron:
> >>
> >> I following some of How-to Monticello Configuration thread and this
> >> morning
> >> in "Discussion about development of Squeak 3.10"
> >> <v3dot10 at lists.squeakfoundation.org> some drives me to your report
> >>
> >> http://bugs.impara.de/squeak/view.php?id=5217
> >>
> >>
> >> I need the best Monticello, as was decided what 3.10 should do all
> >> what
> >> possible using Monticello.
> >>
> >> But seems several different opinions of what the better / right
> >> version
> >> is.
> >>
> >> If you could find some time to join into the list...
> >>
> >> Edgar
> 
> 
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