[Wxsqueak] Using wxSqueak (was Re: An offer to help out!)

[dan]

Hi Pablo,

Did you have any issues with memory leaks/stability?

Cheers

Daniel
Pablo Iaria wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been using wxSqueak to do a simple small desktop application.
> What Rob did was really really great!
> 
> In the beginning I used wxGlade to build the ui. But then I found
> other way to write less code with the pluggables widgets.
> I think it could be very nice to have more of those widgets in the
> distribution of wxSqueak.
> 
> Keep on working with this terrific piece of software!
> 
> Pablo.-
> 
> On 11/30/06, Rob Rothwell <r.j.rothwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>> Anyone reading this list will think you have started talking to
>> yourself...if it becomes an issue, I'll change my name!
>>
>> At your suggestion I am moving the conversation to the mailing list 
>> (maybe
>> some more interest will be drummed up when people are Googling).
>>
>> At any rate, thank you for the invitation!  I am looking forward to 
>> it, and
>> I figure my biggest contribution over your next round will probably be
>> testing things you are working on, and in so doing I will naturally 
>> get up
>> to speed on your work as I gain some natural entry points into your code
>> during curious debugging...
>>
>> (Undoubtedly, philosophical conversation will ensue!)
>>
>> Thanks again; I'm looking forward to providing any help I can,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/06, Rob Gayvert <rtg at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Rob,
>> >
>> > My wxSqueak work has been dormant the past few months, as I have been
>> > waiting for the lastest versions of Squeak (3.9) and wxWidgets (2.8) to
>> > go final. Now that they're almost there, I plan to ramp up again 
>> shortly.
>> >
>> > I'd be delighted to get some help, or even just some usage reports.
>> > After an initial flurry of discussion last year, I haven't heard from
>> > many people, so I don't know if anyone else is still interested.
>> >
>> > As for the printing bug, I've seen it crash at times, so I know there
>> > are some issues there, but I haven't looked into it much further. In 
>> 0.5
>> > I'll try to get this straightened out.
>> >
>> > Having a mingw build setup would be great, so that's a perfect place 
>> for
>> > you to start. This is important for performance, because the best I can
>> > do with a VM built with MSVC6 is about half the speed of the stock
>> > Windows VM, which is compiled with the gnuify options using mingw.
>> >
>> > Let's move our discussions over to the mailing list at
>> > wxsqueak at lists.squeakfoundation.org.
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> >
>> > .. Rob
>> >
>> >
>> > Rob Rothwell wrote:
>> > > Rob,
>> > >
>> > > It seems I could not contain my usual long-winded nature, so in 
>> summary,
>> > > 1)  I have a wxSqeak "bug" report I could not find a reference to 
>> on the
>> > > squeak lists, and 2)  I would also like to offer to help out with 
>> this
>> > > project in any way that I could, making the big assumption that you
>> > > would want any help.  Verbose details follow:
>> > >
>> > > First, as a sort of "hmm...interesting" "bug" report, I haven't been
>> > > able to get any of the "print demos" in the WxDemoFrame class 
>> (such as
>> > > WxPrintDialogDemo or WxPrintFrameworkDemo) to work on Windows XP in
>> > > either the 0.4 or 0.4.1 demos downloaded from wxsqueak.org
>> > > <http://wxsqueak.org>.  I also successfully built my own 3.8 wxSqueak
>> > > image "by hand" with the same result, but the interesting thing is 
>> that
>> > > these demos both work on my machine from a 0.04alpha wxMorphic demo
>> > > project.  Things that make you go "hmmm..."
>> > >
>> > > Next, I am rather decent intuitive debugger with 20+ years of [self
>> > > taught] programming experience and a knack for finding bugs in 
>> languages
>> > > I barely understand.  I am just learning Sqeak/Smalltalk, but have 
>> a lot
>> > > of low level Windows programming experience from a past life, albeit
>> > > using home-grown virtual "jump-tables" with Eric Issacson's A386 
>> and a
>> > > Borland linker instead of a "modern" C/C++ compilers (which I can use
>> > > but have just never...enjoyed as much as Assembly).  For high level
>> > > work, I have always been a fan of the simplicity of BASIC, but have
>> > > longed for a way to combine that simplicity with a low-level 
>> ability to
>> > > do whatever you want in an "elegent" manner (unlike the hacks 
>> required
>> > > in ANY VB project!).  Enter Smalltalk.  I should have studied 
>> Computer
>> > > Science instead of Physics and I could have saved myself the 
>> trouble of
>> > > trying to create such a system that already existed without my 
>> knowledge
>> > > (but that's another story)!
>> > >
>> > > At any rate...I don't know how to make the offer because I have never
>> > > worked with someone at a distance, but would you like some help with
>> > > wxSqueak?  You are essentially laying the foundation to use Squeak 
>> as a
>> > > cross-platform VM in a way that could make it, well, useful!  Nothing
>> > > against the integrated Squeak World, but they have a long way to 
>> go to
>> > > take that vision to fruition in terms of competing with the various
>> > > operating systems for the way users want to "run" their programs.
>> > >
>> > > Anyway, I guess I am offering to help because what I want to "do" 
>> with
>> > > wxSqueak is create a more robust, but "realistic" way of 
>> programming in
>> > > Squeak for the masses--I think you could go far beyond "GUI 
>> builder" to
>> > > a true "object" experience beyond what .NET and the like have to 
>> offer
>> > > (again, another story), and it seems like that is at least similar to
>> > > the direction you are headed in as well.  I'm not sure why this is
>> > > coming out of MY mouth, but why reinvent something if someone is 
>> already
>> > > working on it?  Why not try to help instead?  I would need to get the
>> > > right tools loaded for compiling, etc, and get up to speed on your 
>> work,
>> > > but I would be happy to assist in the effort.  However, maybe you 
>> enjoy
>> > > doing it all yourself--I sure know how that goes!
>> > >
>> > > Let me know if you are interested, and we could talk about how I 
>> could
>> > > be useful to you.  In the meantime I'll try to get the Ming 
>> compiler up
>> > > and running and have a shot at understanding your code and how these
>> > > "primitives" work in Sqeak.  Either way, I have already got more 
>> out of
>> > > your work than almost two years of poking around in Squeak simply
>> > > because I could relate to the problem.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for your time,
>> > >
>> > > Rob Rothwell
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > The foolish reject what they see, not what they think; the wise 
>> reject
>> > > what they think, not what they see.  -- Huang Po
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> The foolish reject what they see, not what they think; the wise reject 
>> what
>> they think, not what they see.  -- Huang Po
>