[Wxsqueak] Using wxSqueak (was Re: An offer to help out!)

[Pablo Iaria]

On 12/8/06, dan <mr.d.poon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Pablo,

Hi!

>
> Did you have any issues with memory leaks/stability?
>

No, I didn't. At least I didn't notice that.

Some times the VM crashed when I did things in a wrong way. Once I got
the idea of how to use wxSqueak, it worked quite well.

> Cheers

Cheers,
Pablo.-

>
> Daniel
> Pablo Iaria wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've been using wxSqueak to do a simple small desktop application.
> > What Rob did was really really great!
> >
> > In the beginning I used wxGlade to build the ui. But then I found
> > other way to write less code with the pluggables widgets.
> > I think it could be very nice to have more of those widgets in the
> > distribution of wxSqueak.
> >
> > Keep on working with this terrific piece of software!
> >
> > Pablo.-
> >
> > On 11/30/06, Rob Rothwell <r.j.rothwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Rob,
> >>
> >> Anyone reading this list will think you have started talking to
> >> yourself...if it becomes an issue, I'll change my name!
> >>
> >> At your suggestion I am moving the conversation to the mailing list
> >> (maybe
> >> some more interest will be drummed up when people are Googling).
> >>
> >> At any rate, thank you for the invitation!  I am looking forward to
> >> it, and
> >> I figure my biggest contribution over your next round will probably be
> >> testing things you are working on, and in so doing I will naturally
> >> get up
> >> to speed on your work as I gain some natural entry points into your code
> >> during curious debugging...
> >>
> >> (Undoubtedly, philosophical conversation will ensue!)
> >>
> >> Thanks again; I'm looking forward to providing any help I can,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/30/06, Rob Gayvert <rtg at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Rob,
> >> >
> >> > My wxSqueak work has been dormant the past few months, as I have been
> >> > waiting for the lastest versions of Squeak (3.9) and wxWidgets (2.8) to
> >> > go final. Now that they're almost there, I plan to ramp up again
> >> shortly.
> >> >
> >> > I'd be delighted to get some help, or even just some usage reports.
> >> > After an initial flurry of discussion last year, I haven't heard from
> >> > many people, so I don't know if anyone else is still interested.
> >> >
> >> > As for the printing bug, I've seen it crash at times, so I know there
> >> > are some issues there, but I haven't looked into it much further. In
> >> 0.5
> >> > I'll try to get this straightened out.
> >> >
> >> > Having a mingw build setup would be great, so that's a perfect place
> >> for
> >> > you to start. This is important for performance, because the best I can
> >> > do with a VM built with MSVC6 is about half the speed of the stock
> >> > Windows VM, which is compiled with the gnuify options using mingw.
> >> >
> >> > Let's move our discussions over to the mailing list at
> >> > wxsqueak at lists.squeakfoundation.org.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again!
> >> >
> >> > .. Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Rob Rothwell wrote:
> >> > > Rob,
> >> > >
> >> > > It seems I could not contain my usual long-winded nature, so in
> >> summary,
> >> > > 1)  I have a wxSqeak "bug" report I could not find a reference to
> >> on the
> >> > > squeak lists, and 2)  I would also like to offer to help out with
> >> this
> >> > > project in any way that I could, making the big assumption that you
> >> > > would want any help.  Verbose details follow:
> >> > >
> >> > > First, as a sort of "hmm...interesting" "bug" report, I haven't been
> >> > > able to get any of the "print demos" in the WxDemoFrame class
> >> (such as
> >> > > WxPrintDialogDemo or WxPrintFrameworkDemo) to work on Windows XP in
> >> > > either the 0.4 or 0.4.1 demos downloaded from wxsqueak.org
> >> > > <http://wxsqueak.org>.  I also successfully built my own 3.8 wxSqueak
> >> > > image "by hand" with the same result, but the interesting thing is
> >> that
> >> > > these demos both work on my machine from a 0.04alpha wxMorphic demo
> >> > > project.  Things that make you go "hmmm..."
> >> > >
> >> > > Next, I am rather decent intuitive debugger with 20+ years of [self
> >> > > taught] programming experience and a knack for finding bugs in
> >> languages
> >> > > I barely understand.  I am just learning Sqeak/Smalltalk, but have
> >> a lot
> >> > > of low level Windows programming experience from a past life, albeit
> >> > > using home-grown virtual "jump-tables" with Eric Issacson's A386
> >> and a
> >> > > Borland linker instead of a "modern" C/C++ compilers (which I can use
> >> > > but have just never...enjoyed as much as Assembly).  For high level
> >> > > work, I have always been a fan of the simplicity of BASIC, but have
> >> > > longed for a way to combine that simplicity with a low-level
> >> ability to
> >> > > do whatever you want in an "elegent" manner (unlike the hacks
> >> required
> >> > > in ANY VB project!).  Enter Smalltalk.  I should have studied
> >> Computer
> >> > > Science instead of Physics and I could have saved myself the
> >> trouble of
> >> > > trying to create such a system that already existed without my
> >> knowledge
> >> > > (but that's another story)!
> >> > >
> >> > > At any rate...I don't know how to make the offer because I have never
> >> > > worked with someone at a distance, but would you like some help with
> >> > > wxSqueak?  You are essentially laying the foundation to use Squeak
> >> as a
> >> > > cross-platform VM in a way that could make it, well, useful!  Nothing
> >> > > against the integrated Squeak World, but they have a long way to
> >> go to
> >> > > take that vision to fruition in terms of competing with the various
> >> > > operating systems for the way users want to "run" their programs.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyway, I guess I am offering to help because what I want to "do"
> >> with
> >> > > wxSqueak is create a more robust, but "realistic" way of
> >> programming in
> >> > > Squeak for the masses--I think you could go far beyond "GUI
> >> builder" to
> >> > > a true "object" experience beyond what .NET and the like have to
> >> offer
> >> > > (again, another story), and it seems like that is at least similar to
> >> > > the direction you are headed in as well.  I'm not sure why this is
> >> > > coming out of MY mouth, but why reinvent something if someone is
> >> already
> >> > > working on it?  Why not try to help instead?  I would need to get the
> >> > > right tools loaded for compiling, etc, and get up to speed on your
> >> work,
> >> > > but I would be happy to assist in the effort.  However, maybe you
> >> enjoy
> >> > > doing it all yourself--I sure know how that goes!
> >> > >
> >> > > Let me know if you are interested, and we could talk about how I
> >> could
> >> > > be useful to you.  In the meantime I'll try to get the Ming
> >> compiler up
> >> > > and running and have a shot at understanding your code and how these
> >> > > "primitives" work in Sqeak.  Either way, I have already got more
> >> out of
> >> > > your work than almost two years of poking around in Squeak simply
> >> > > because I could relate to the problem.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks for your time,
> >> > >
> >> > > Rob Rothwell
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > The foolish reject what they see, not what they think; the wise
> >> reject
> >> > > what they think, not what they see.  -- Huang Po
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> The foolish reject what they see, not what they think; the wise reject
> >> what
> >> they think, not what they see.  -- Huang Po
> >
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