[Newbies] Grafoscopio and the Data Week: Critical code+data literacy practices and pocket infrastructures from/for the Global South
Herbert König
herbertkoenig at gmx.net
Tue Feb 6 22:22:07 UTC 2018
Hi Offray,
to make my point more explicit:
IMO our community is small and fragmentation (of communication channels)
is not helpful. There are some 'special' concerns like VMDev and
Beginners that 'justify' their own channels but most additional Squeak
channels have dried out quickly.
Should have said this in the first place instead of giving tips how to
mitigate what you seemed to dislike on Squeak dev. :-))
Cheers,
Herbert
Am 06.02.2018 um 20:53 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas:
>
> Thanks Ron and Herbert,
>
> I would rater try to improve a "users lists" that filter commits in a
> dev-list. That's one of the interesting points of systems like
> discourse: you can create subthreads for particular information and
> connect or not to them, create hooks and get only the information you
> are interested in.
>
> Seems that we have plenty of channels and I don't know if one more is
> going to help with the problem of more fluid communication in the
> community that helps with dynamics of governance (like voting). In the
> case of Manjaro, I was already in an old forum that was migrated to
> discourse, so I don't know a lot about details on managing Spam.
> Discourse have spam filters activate and you only get to post a lot of
> information with links, if you have interacted with the community
> enough, with preset rules. That means that your first post, as a
> member could have maybe two links, but you can not start to put a lot
> of links in the same post, unless you gain some reputation, which
> discourages spammers.
>
> For me the important thing is: can we have a more permanent and fluid
> conversation that shows the pulse and vitality of this community? If
> the way to do it is to be in the developers list, filter commits with
> extra technical info, and having a beginners list with almost no
> entries, so we are not addressing properly the transitions and middle
> places between users and developers: you have too much info or too
> little. More granular information is a place where forums like
> discourse could help.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
>
>
> On 06/02/18 12:53, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
>> Hi Offray,
>>
>> I like the idea of forums. Always have. Did the Manjaro community
>> have trouble with spam? How is it moderated? Email lists seem to be
>> less vulnerable to spam, although we have received some in the past.
>> Forums seem to need constant moderation to ensure they are not
>> invaded by spam. I seem to remember there was a forum way back when.
>> There is a forum interface to the mailing list already:
>> http://forum.world.st/Squeak-Beginners-f107673.html
>> <http://forum.world.st/Squeak-Beginners-f107673.html>. What do you
>> think Discourse would add to the community over what we have already?
>>
>> Also, note there are a few other places where we sort of gather. #IRC
>> #squeak http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/squeak/
>> <http://tunes.org/%7Enef/logs/squeak/> don't see much going on
>> there. Google Plus Group:
>> https://plus.google.com/u/1/communities/111117917267462353507
>> <https://plus.google.com/u/1/communities/111117917267462353507>.
>> Twitter https://twitter.com/SqueakSmalltalk. Planet Squeak:
>> http://planet.squeak.org/ and https://news.squeak.org/ wow it has
>> been a long time since I made a post!
>>
>> I imagine someone probably did a slack channel. Yes I was correct:
>> http://squeak.org/community/
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Ron Teitelbaum
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Herbert König <herbertkoenig at gmx.net
>> <mailto:herbertkoenig at gmx.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Offray,
>>
>>
>> Squeak dev always has been the place to be and newbies was just
>> invented to have a lower hurdle on entry.
>>
>> For the automatic traffic there's (spam) filters in your mail
>> program.
>>
>>
>> Please feel free move over, we are not so many in our community
>> that separate lists are needed.
>>
>>
>> My 2c.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Herbert
>>
>>
>> Am 06.02.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas:
>>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> I'm just in the beginners list (when I subscribed I was a
>>> beginner and I never thought of myself as a developer). I have
>>> seen the dev list, but there is a lot of automatic mail send by
>>> commit activity. I'm not sure if I want such traffic in my mail
>>> inbox.
>>>
>>> Anyway, having proper feedback places is important and I wonder
>>> if some kind of middle place between developers and beginners is
>>> needed. In the Pharo case, the users list has pretty good
>>> activity without details about commits. Maybe beginners is
>>> misleading and we need a users list or setup something like
>>> discourse[1] to improve communication. In the Manjaro case, it
>>> has worked pretty well[2] (but, of course, infrastructure by
>>> itself is not a warranty).
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.discourse.org/
>>> [2] http://forum.manjaro.org/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Offray
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/02/18 10:51, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
>>>> Offray,
>>>>
>>>> Are you signed up on the squeak-dev mailing list or just
>>>> beginners? I think the members of the Squeak-Dev list would
>>>> enjoy having you there! You would also get more feedback from
>>>> that group.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
>>>> <offray at riseup.net <mailto:offray at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the typo, I meant Joseph.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/02/18 21:09, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:
>>>> > Hi Joshep,
>>>>
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