[Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
Bob Arning
arning at charm.net
Wed Feb 23 14:34:41 UTC 2011
One question to ask is whether the site needs "a" new design or several.
I am of a minority less enamored with design/structure and more
interested in full understanding. Would Seaside make it possible to
support two radically different views of the same information without
needing to do twice the work?
Cheers,
Bob
P.S. I saw this today in a totally different context, but it seems
applicable here as well:
http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce.html
On 2/23/11 9:18 AM, Robert Sirois wrote:
> I like where this conversation is going :p Maybe what we really need
> is to get some ideas out there, put some volunteers in charge, and
> have a little web get-together and discuss it?
>
> RS
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: sebastian at flowingconcept.com
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] website maintenance/feedback?
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:53:17 -0300
> To: seaside at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>
> "...As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a better design..."
>
> All...
>
> I not only agree with that, I'm afraid "the hole is deeper".
>
> Actually our community in general needs better branding so marketing
> so copywriting so design.
>
> Of course that means a website with better design. But the issue is
> more deep than retouching the website.
>
> Avi's attitude is the kind of thing that creates an opportunity for
> Seaside.
>
> It could be a chance to start showing people that smalltalkers don't
> ignore design (and I don't mean in theory).
>
> But the reality is that not much of a difference will happen unless
> we boldly embrace design from the core (code) to the skin (UI).
>
> Avi...
>
> if you have screenshots to show that's okay but be prepared for the
> next thing: people will start to make bold opinions about it (thinking
> they know what they're talking about even if they aren't designers)
> and having feedback is okay but, as you probably know, committees
> trying to design horses end up delivering giraffes because
> democratically they decided they're "improved"
>
> If you think you can deal with that and make us look better, they I'm
> curious already
>
> sebastian <http://twitter.com/#%21/sebastianconcpt>
>
> o/
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Avi Shefi wrote:
>
> Julian,
> I'm willing to manage the website.
> Lately I have been working on a new design mockup for the Seaside
> website. As I have previously mentioned, the website needs a
> better design. Hope I'll get to it over the following week and
> send some screenshots of it.
>
> Regardless of the issue, I have new ideas for Seaside to which I
> will dedicate some time after I finish some of the currently open
> issues.
>
>
> Regards,
> Avi.
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Julian Fitzell
> <jfitzell at gmail.com <mailto:jfitzell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think I've asked before, but this is a good time to ask
> again. Is
> there anyone in the community who would be willing to
> volunteer their
> services as "webmaster"? It doesn't necessarily have to
> involve a lot
> of work (though I'd love someone to take on the challenge of
> cleaning
> up the site organization), but mostly having responsibility
> for making
> sure these kinds of comments don't get dropped (filing an issue if
> appropriate) and that *someone* is doing something about them.
> We have
> a number of people in the community with permissions to update the
> site, so some of the effort could just involve delegation to
> them and
> then chasing them up.
>
> Julian
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Buchan
> <andyhasit at gmail.com <mailto:andyhasit at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm starting to use seaside, and finding most of what I
> need, but have
> > noticed something on the website that needs fixed, not sure
> where to
> > send this to as there is no "webmaster contact" bit, so
> thought I'd
> > post it here:
> >
> > -------------------
> >
> > On page: "http://www.seaside.st/documentation" the menu
> link to
> > "applications" brings you to the page on "debugging"...
> >
> > Also, the pages talking about seaside 3.0:
> >
> > http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside30
> > http://www.seaside.st/seaside30
> >
> > Could both do with being dated, especially as Seaside is one
> of those
> > things that people might try, leave, and come back to in a
> few months
> > to see if anything has changed, and won't remember what
> version they
> > downloaded.
> >
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