[Seaside] Wrong image in Seaside.st website

[Sebastian Sastre]

hey Julian,

basically that:

1. if if we do too much we pollute the brand (by confusing people on what to expect) and 
2. that a "one click seaside image" is a great promise but if after the download you found that promise broken then.. well.. that isn't a great start, right? so..

tip: remember you are doing it for other people including you, not the other way around (and that ~99% of them will expect to start with a few simple things that works great and only after that move on and install more nerdish stuff (that also should work great but should't be a seaside issue))

what happens if we ignore this?

the (analogous) same thing that would happen with some anti-patterns (like this, this or this) when you have bloated objects with too many responsibilities trying to do too much: that's being inflexible and scaling poorly. So I'm assuming you don't want that characteristics in the seaside brand (at least I'm sure I don't want them) and the one click image is the most representative artifact of the seaside brand (plus the fact that Pharo will enjoy or suffer the consequences too)



On Mar 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Julian Fitzell wrote:

> Sebastian,
> 
> I don't understand your comment. What do you mean?
> 
> Julian
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Sebastian Sastre
> <sebastian at flowingconcept.com> wrote:
>> less is more guys
>> 
>> please keep it simple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Julian Fitzell wrote:
>> 
>>> The image is also called pier2.image and the icon when the application
>>> opens is Pier's. That is all a bit weird, I think...
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 6:56 AM, laurent laffont
>>> <laurent.laffont at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Philippe Marschall
>>>> <philippe.marschall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  2011/3/22 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont at gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Seaside 3.0 developer image found at http://seaside.st/download/pharo is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Pier image, not Seaside one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it says so "Pharo 1.1, Scriptaculous, jQuery, Magritte, Pier".
>>>> 
>>>> But when you open it and go to http://localhost:8080 the default application
>>>> is Pier, not the Seaside welcome screen. Is it what you want ?
>>>> Laurent.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The One-Click shouldn't have Magritte and Pier in it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Philippe
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