[SoC] topics

[Todd Blanchard]

Nevermind - I've figured out how to access the (truly awful  
constantly timing out) application.


On Mar 29, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:

> I have read the Ruby on Rails book in a study group and built a  
> trivial application with it just to see.  I suspect I still have it  
> installed on this machine somewhere or other.  I also work in  
> Seaside every day and have experience with other frameworks like  
> WebObjects and the whole J2EE nightmare.
>
> So I think I have a pretty good idea where Seaside falls short -  
> mostly it is on the persistence layer.
>
> Where can I access the proposals?
>
> -Todd Blanchard
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Ralph Johnson wrote:
>
>> The proposals tend to fall into several categories, and there are  
>> some
>> proposals that are very similar.  There are in fact five proposals
>> (from four people) that propose adding a module to Seaside to make it
>> like Ruby on Rails.  I think that this topic has the biggest  
>> potential
>> to make an impact.  Seaside is powerful, but it is not easy to learn
>> for people who do not already know Smalltalk well.  If there was a
>> "Seaside on Sails" that was as easy to learn as Ruby on Rails,  
>> Seaside
>> (and Squeak) could really take off.
>>
>> It looks to me like these proposals are being overlooked by the
>> mentors, perhaps because none of us are web developers or have used
>> Ruby on Rails.  I haven't use it either, but I have read the
>> documentation and I can see why it has made such a big impact.  I'd
>> love to see Squeak capture some of that market.  So, I urge  
>> mentors to
>> read these proposals and to vote on them.
>>
>> There are a lot of tool-oriented proposals.  I tend to like them, but
>> other mentors do, too, so I won't say much about them.
>>
>> There are a couple of proposals to make something like "rake" for
>> Squeak.  I don't understand these.  I've built several large systems
>> in Smalltalk and never felt the need for make.  I don't know rake,  
>> and
>> when I read the proposals I feel like I am missing something.  Could
>> someone explain why we need something like this?
>>
>> -Ralph
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