prototypes vs classes was: Re: Sun's HotSpot
dan at gui.com
Sat Oct 10 20:42:45 UTC 1998
I agree, particularly about the way in which the object nature of REBOL
is sort of disassociative. I did see the LOGO resemblance (the OO
version of Logo for the Mac was one of my favorite exploratory tools)
but I don't know BOXER. I'll go look for stuff on it now.
FWIW, my friend and a fellow Squeaker, Laurence Rozier
(lrozier at thepattern.com) and I have been kicking around the idea of
using Squeak to "assimilate" (Laurence's word and key concept) not only
ways that could make the future of the Web -- or whatever succeeds it --
linguisitally richer and more approachable. I'll leave him to expound
further as his thinking progresses.
Ultimately, it's Squeak's expressiveness that _is_ its power.
Alan Kay wrote:
> Dan --
> There are many ideas in REBOL that I like -- and many of these could
> provide some clues for what the intermediate scripting in Squeak might be
> like. Note how much of REBOL resembles LOGO and BOXER. I think the
> functional, data, and object aspects of REBOL could be integrated quite a
> bit better ...
> At 6:59 PM -0000 10/10/98, Dan Shafer wrote:
> >Alan Kay wrote:
> >> Folks --
> >> Just a gentle reminder that I took some pains at the last OOPSLA to try to
> >> remind everyone that Smalltalk is not only NOT its syntax or the class
> >> library, it is not even about classes. I'm sorry that I long ago coined the
> >> term "objects" for this topic because it gets many people to focus on the
> >> lesser idea.
> >> The big idea is "messaging" -- that is what the kernal of Smalltalk/Squeak
> >> is all about (and it's something that was never quite completed in our
> >> Xerox PARC phase).
> >Messaging has always seemed to me to be the heart and soul of not only
> >Smalltalk but objects in the broader sense.
> >To that end, has anyone else here looked at REBOL
> >(http://www.rebol.com), a new Net-specific scripting language with
> >objects including Net-native data types like URLs and email addresses?
> >It's not ready for prime time IMNSHO, but it points in some potentially
> >very interesting directions.
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