Alan....

I agree, particularly about the way in which the object nature of REBOL
is sort of disassociative. I did see the LOGO resemblance (the OO
version of Logo for the Mac was one of my favorite exploratory tools)
but I don't know BOXER. I'll go look for stuff on it now.

FWIW, my friend and a fellow Squeaker, Laurence Rozier
(lrozier at thepattern.com) and I have been kicking around the idea of
using Squeak to "assimilate" (Laurence's word and key concept) not only
REBOL but also Perl, JavaScript, and Python, in some very interesting
ways that could make the future of the Web -- or whatever succeeds it --
linguisitally richer and more approachable. I'll leave him to expound
further as his thinking progresses.

Ultimately, it's Squeak's expressiveness that _is_ its power.

Alan Kay wrote:
> 
> Dan --
> 
> There are many ideas in REBOL that I like -- and many of these could
> provide some clues for what the intermediate scripting in Squeak might be
> like. Note how much of REBOL resembles LOGO and BOXER. I think the
> functional, data, and object aspects of REBOL could be integrated quite a
> bit better ...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alan
> 
> ------
> 
> At 6:59 PM -0000 10/10/98, Dan Shafer wrote:
> >Alan Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> Folks --
> >>
> >> Just a gentle reminder that I took some pains at the last OOPSLA to try to
> >> remind everyone that Smalltalk is not only NOT its syntax or the class
> >> library, it is not even about classes. I'm sorry that I long ago coined the
> >> term "objects" for this topic because it gets many people to focus on the
> >> lesser idea.
> >>
> >> The big idea is "messaging" -- that is what the kernal of Smalltalk/Squeak
> >> is all about (and it's something that was never quite completed in our
> >> Xerox PARC phase).
> ><snip>
> >
> >Messaging has always seemed to me to be the heart and soul of not only
> >Smalltalk but objects in the broader sense.
> >
> >To that end, has anyone else here looked at REBOL
> >(http://www.rebol.com), a new Net-specific scripting language with
> >objects including Net-native data types like URLs and email addresses?
> >It's not ready for prime time IMNSHO, but it points in some potentially
> >very interesting directions.
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