(webmaster at squeak.org bounced, and I think it's no harm to cc this on
the squeak list)

Earlier today, I wrote:
> Dear squeak swiki & squeak.org webmasters,
> 
> the squeak wiki has done long service at minnow.cc.gatech.edu. I think
> there is some consensus that the time has now come to locate it within
> the squeak.org domain, eg as swiki.squeak.org. See my comments below
> for a little context. 
> 
> Do you agree, are you available to help, any ideas on how to make this
> happen ?  We don't know if it requires a physical move or can be done
> virtually.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Simon
> 
> PS the squeak foundation list archives are at
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeakfoundation
> 
> 
> "Joshua 'Schwa' Gargus" <schwa at cc.gatech.edu> writes:
>> On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 07:27:15PM -0700, Simon Michael wrote:
>> > Andreas - yes. Just a little more prevarication from me: ok, where can
>> > I help plant this stake in the ground.. which leads us back to..
>> > 
>> > ..the squeak wiki. IMHO this is the optimal place for constructing
>> > these lists, because (a) they probably partially exist there already
>> > and (b) ease of linking to more detail. Two problems -
>> > 
>> > 1. <poke, prod> with no disrespect intended, the current admin(s) are
>> > not delivering uptime. 9 outages so far this month, including some of
>> > more than a day (according to
>> > http://uptime.arsdigita.com/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=119512 ).  I
>> > know "there'll be a server upgrade next week". But in any case,
>> 
>> Don't worry.  There'll be a server upgrade next week ;-)
>> 
>> Them's the breaks with running a research lab within a large bureaucratic
>> organization; we can't order the machines directly to us.  This isn't 
>> something that urgently needs to be solved immediately, and it isn't 
>> something that we can speed up.  Just hang tight for a little bit.
>> 
>> > 2. the wiki is at some strange url, neither squeak.org,
>> > squeakfoundation.org, nor squeakland.org. This dilutes squeak's web
>> > presence.
>> 
>> I think that this is a very good point.  What the heck is 
>> minnow.cc.gatech.edu anyway?  However, this is a historical accident
>> as a result of the fact that the Squeak Swiki started off as an 
>> experiment back in the (relative) infancy of Swiki.  If you think 
>> that it is important enough to address immediately, the author and
>> current maintainer is Je77 Rick.  You can contact him at
>> nadja at cc.gatech.edu; I'm sure he'll be glad to talk to you about
>> the possibility of moving the Swiki out of .gatech.edu.
>> 
>> Tell him Schwa sent you ;-)
>> 
>> > True, this doesn't actually prevent me from building Andreas' lists
>> > but I only have 15 minutes and I'd like to see it solved. I'd prefer a
>> > single, stable, canonical community wiki.  I'm tempted to propose
>> > doing the simplest thing that could possibly work: mirror it on
>> > squeakfoundation.org and forget minnow.
>> > 
>> > Minnow admin(s) are you on this list ? Comments anyone ?
>> 
>> Oops, didn't read this far.  AFAIK, I'm the only GaTech Squeaker on
>> this list.  But Je77's contact information is above.
>> 
>> Joshua
>> 
>> > Best regards - Simon
> 
> 
> Simon Michael <simon at joyful.com> writes:
>> Paul Fernhout <pdfernhout at kurtz-fernhout.com> writes:
>> > With the exception of the mini-faq, one question to think about is why
>> > haven't these consolidation and organization projects happened already?
>> 
>> Excellent question. I can speak for myself:
>> 
>> > There are also several Wikis where this sort of effort could be
>> > happening
>> 
>> you've hit the nail on the head :).
>> 
>> In other words: each time I've entered the squeak community (maybe
>> three times over the last 3-4 years) I (a) came to the conclusion the
>> sorts of things you describe are where I can best help and (b) looked
>> at the web presence and fora for documentation and got scared away by
>> the feeling of shifting sands and multiplicity. No-one wants to spend
>> time on documentation that may or may found.
>> 
>> You can make a case that I allowed myself to be scared off from hard
>> work too easily.. but my point is that this has probably happened with
>> plenty of other potential contributors. We want the threshold for
>> contribution to approach zero. Hence my last post.
>> 
>> -Simon
> 
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