At 01:15 PM 5/25/2001 -0700, Michael Rueger wrote:


>John Hinsley wrote:
>
> > Apache (or whatever) + MySQL (or whatever) + PHP. It can be made to work
>And there is always Java ;-)

There's always Smalltalk.

It's not open-source, or even cheap, but for non-commercial purposes it's 
free. It hooks into the back-end behind Apache, IIS, and pretty much 
anything else, using CGI, FastCGI (like CGI, but... wait for it... fast), 
ISAPI, and others so that your static content can be served statically, and 
your dynamic content served dynamically. It's not nearly as ambitious as 
running Squeak projects directly in the browser, but it does have 
web-"standard" mechanisms, including ASP, JSP, and servlet protocol. It's 
Smalltalk, so Squeak code should run with minimal work.

Of course you don't really need a front-end web server. The number 30 web 
site in the world in terms of volume (10K hits/minute) runs on this core 
technology with Smalltalk doing all the web serving.

There's  Bruce Badger's connect to Postgresql (which I prefer to MySQL, but 
let's not open that can of worms) as well as all the standard non-free 
databases, and comes complete with the non-commercial version of a 
full-blown industrial-strength OODB (Gemstone).

My biggest caveat would be that the really interesting new stuff is only 
just going into beta, to ship later this summer. However, if someone is 
really interested in this stuff and willing to give some serious feedback 
I'll see what I can do about getting early access.

> > But I wondered, looking through the Sqiki stuff, extrapolating snippets
> > from
> > this list, just what it'd take to do a web application framework in
> > Squeak,
> > perhaps using Comanche as a basis? (It'd be nice to use an OODB, too!)
>
>One thing that would be really nice to have would be something like the
>Java/Tomcat people are doing.
>You run a "real" web server like apache and delegate only the
>interesting calls to an out of process Servlet/Squeaklet engine
>communicating over a socket based communication (AJP12/AJP13 that would
>be for tomcat).
>I didn't have the time yet to look into how much that would take, but it
>would provide the best of both worlds.

That's pretty much exactly what FastCGI is, but if you really like the 
JServ protocol, Josh Miller did an implementation of this under GPL at 
jdmsoft.com. He's got a MySQL driver too.



>Michael

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