Progrmaming in Bytecode?
Alan Kay
Alan.Kay at squeakland.org
Fri Aug 2 15:57:13 UTC 2002
Also, Dan a few year ago for fun did an emulation of the Alto in
Squeak that would run Smalltalk-72. The original "blue book" that
contained the ST-72 system bootstrap is quite fun to read.
Cheers,
Alan
-----
At 10:18 AM -0400 8/2/02, PhiHo Hoang wrote:
>Hi Alan,
>
> Thanks for the info. Frankly (and shame on me), I have not read the
>papers you mentioned.
>
> Please post a pointer when you have it. Maybe many others did not have a
>chance to read them either.
>
> It would be fun to look at the first VM, the first compiler and the
>first image.
>
> I guess they all fit on a floppy (180KB ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> PhiHo.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan Kay" <Alan.Kay at squeakland.org>
>To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:52 AM
>Subject: RE: Progrmaming in Bytecode?
>
>
>> The story about Smalltalk-72 is in "The Early History of Smalltalk"
>> that I wrote for ACM's "History of Programming Languages" in 93. I
>> have a pdf file which I'll put on an FTP server somewhere. Also, Dan
>> wrote a truly great paper a few years after Smalltalk-72 about
>> Smalltalk-76, a little of which I included in the "History". However,
>> you should read this as well. I think it was for POPL 78, and there
>> is probably an online copy somewhere ....
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 1:21 AM -0400 8/2/02, PhiHo Hoang wrote:
>> >Dan,
>> >
>> >> Fire up those new-age compilers and take us into the new world!
>> >
>> >> - D
>> >
>> > OTOH, I want to go back to the future to look for an old-age
>> >compiler.
>> >
>> > The one that generated _the_very_first_Smalltalk_image.
>> >
>> > ( The image that Adam used to show Eva her (e)toy :-).
>> >
>> > Just wondering if that compiler was written in C(obol) or
>> >S(nobol).
>> >
>> > Don't I wish that it were written in S(lang) so that it could be
>> >turned into a plugin ;-)
>> >
>> > The 30th Anniversary for Smalltalk is around the corner.
>> >
>> > Would you tell us how was _the_very_first_Smalltalk_image
>> >created ?
>> >
>> > And who did it.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > PhiHo.
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: squeak-dev-admin at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>> >[mailto:squeak-dev-admin at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Dan
>> >Ingalls
>> >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:38 PM
>> >To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>> >Subject: RE: Progrmaming in Bytecode?
>> >
>> >
>> >> > The single cycle
>> >>> thing isn't necessarily relevant for Smalltalk, but those
>> >"extended"
>> >>> bytecodes are really distasteful to me.
>> >>
>> >>I find them distasteful too. I also find the multiple object header
>> >>formats equally distasteful. OTOH, every little bit counts when trying
>> >
>> >>to minimise the size of the image -- and there a more than a few people
>> >
>> >>putting Squeak to work on severely limited machines.
>> >
>> >Well, bytecodes do have their place, of course ;-).
>> >
>> >But it's great to hear you guys finding the whole current mess
>> >distasteful...
>>
>>
>> --
>>
--
More information about the Squeak-dev
mailing list
|