David,

Thanks for the hints. 

I played with making the "parent/root project" the first project in the 
presentation and that works well for being able to jump back to the "parent". 
As well, I played with just creating the "Presentation Pages" directly from 
the InternalThreadNavigationMorph(ITNM) as you suggested by doing:

	click "edit this thread"
	click "make a new project" (the middle image on ITNM)
	drop new project on presentation thread

This works very nicely in that it does not unnecesarily display those 
"Presentation Pages" on the "parent project", just lists them in the ITNM 
(but see 2 below).

There are a few complaints I would have from a UI perspective .. I'll just 
list them to get it off my mind :)

	1) The most confusing thing: If I click on the ITNM middle button and do 
"simply close this navigator". it disappears and I do not have any another 
way to get back to it, apart from dragging a NEW ITNM. Maybe I missed 
something ...

	2) Within Squeak, the presentation pages created as described above are 
visible on "jump to project" as standalone "projects" - which they are but it 
would be far more natural if the InternalThreadNavigationMorph (ITNM) becomes 
a "Parent Project" on the "jump to project" list (or there could be a menu 
item in world for "presentations/navigations" that would list the ITNMs)  .. 
the way it is now is confusing because it "flattens" all pages of all 
presentation I may have and clutters the project list way too much ...

	3) I do not see and easy way to save the presentation, I think that is what 
you are describing below

Thanks again for the suggestion, including copy and publishing to web server, 
have to try some day,

Milan

	
On July 16, 2004 09:56 am, C. David Shaffer wrote:
> Milan Zimmermann wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Playing with InternalThreadNavigationMorph .. I have created a "My
> >PresentationProject" which has 4 Projects in it, each intended to be one
> >"Page" of the presentation. As well, in "My PresentationProject" I have a
> >there a InternalThreadNavigationMorph which navigates through the 4 pages.
> >
> >My problem is that once navigating inside the
> > InternalThreadNavigationMorph , I cannot find a straightforward way to go
> > back to the "parent" "My PresentationProject" ... I was thinking it
> > should be on the middle button ... anyway, is there a way to go back to
> > parent?
>
> Milan,
>
> I usually make the "parent" the first project in my thread that way you
> can use the "First project in thread" menu item from the ITNM.
> Recently, I got out of the habit of having all of the projects be
> children of the root project.  Instead, I use the ITNM's "insert new
> project" menu option to create a new project.  You may or may not like
> this since it won't create a thumbnail of the project anywhere.  The
> only places you'll see it are in the ITNM and in the "jump to
> project..." menu.  It is certainly a matter of personal preference but
> the reason I stopped creating all of the projects rooted in a single
> project is that lengthy talks make crowded root projects and I found
> myself wasting time rearranging the thumbnails so I could see them all.
>
> I've been using projects to make my presentations for a year now (3
> presentations).  I have a lot of complaints but I'm reluctant to share
> them as I don't have any code to share.  Now, if someone solicits
> comments that would be another story :-)  I can add at least one hint in
> addition to Lex's comment regarding flaps: copy morphs.  One thing I
> found myself doing consistently was (pseudo-smalltalk/morph, sorry,
> don't have my actual code handy):
>
>     "Do this once to set up the container for your templates"
>     Smalltalk at: #PageTemplates put: Dictionary new.
>
>     "Execute this code in a page which has a format you like, change
> BulletPage to something which describes the page"
>     PageTemplates at: #BulletPage put: (World submorphs collect: [:morph
>
> | morph copy])
>
>     "Go to the new/destination project and execute this code"
>     (PageTemplates at: #BulletPage) do: [:morph | morph copy
> openInWorld: World]
>
> I think that's how it worked.  The thing I most fuzzy on is sending copy
> (was it deepCopy or something?).  The wonderful thing about this
> mailling list is that I'm sure if it's wrong someone will correct me
>
> :-)  Anyway this works well if you write presentations where the slide
>
> format doesn't vary much from slide to slide (like us boring academic
> types tend to do).  The reason I used a dictionary was to keep from
> having globals scattered all around Smalltalk.  It also makes creating
> some scripted buttons quite easy.
>
> Also, I couldn't get any of the ServerDirectory classes to work with my
> Apache+WebDAV system so I wrote DAVServerDirectory and posted it to the
> list.  It allows you to save your projects right to an Apache web server
> (I recommend using stunnel since Squeak doesn't support SSL and
> publishing unencrypted is begging for trouble).
>
> Finally, if you're using 3.6 and True-Type Fonts, be sure to get Diego's
> patch from BFAV since otherwise you won't be able to properly load your
> published presentations (you must have the patch installed when you
> publish!).
>
> David