[ANN] Ambrai Smalltalk on mac OSX
stéphane ducasse
ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Fri Jun 25 21:04:50 UTC 2004
ok I understand :)
>
>>> For those of us who care about such things, I think there's
>>> potentially a very nice model there for commercial use of Squeak:
>>> develop web apps on OS X using a native UI environment, and then
>>> deploy headless on linux or any other platform you care for.
>>
>> I try to understand what you imply :).
>> You mean that some people would be interested to have an environment
>> on mac OS X that looks like a mac application and not squeak :) and
>> that they would deploy applications I imagine with Seaside
>> running on other platforms.
>
> Right - it wouldn't look like Squeak in that it wouldn't look like
> Morphic, although it would still be Squeak in every other respect. It
> would be useless as an educational or simulation environment, but
> would be great for writing network code.
>
>> Do I imply correctly that this would be targeted at non squeakers?
>
> I'd rather say, would expand the group of potential Squeakers. Many
> Smalltalkers are unwilling to use Squeak because they don't like
> Morphic. It's also a hard sell in corporate environments, whereas
> VisualWorks and Dolphin are easier - not *just* because of UI, but
> it's a factor. This is silly and shortsighted of them, but it doesn't
> help matters to tell them so.
>
> This isn't about making Squeak a good platform for developing native
> UI desktop apps - that's a huge amount of work, which I'm happy to
> leave to Ambrai and Dolphin. It's certainly not about doing native UI
> portably. It's just about putting together enough native development
> tools so that developers on some platforms (or even just one) get an
> improved look and feel for browsers, inspectors, debuggers, etc, with
> Morphic as a fallback for anything else.
>
> Avi
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