Hi,

I am something of an excited lurker here but let me comment anyway.

I think Dan is very right. The actual 'implementation' of a new logo should be 
preceded by a sort of basic 'analysis' and 'design' (even though I am a fan of 
XP). 
Start by formulation what you want the logo to express. Put it in a few words 
before drawing: Openness, flexibility, adventure, innovation, pink plane/blue 
plane, historical connotation, open community, power, human face, etc. Once 
this is done, why not ask somebody with professional background in logo design 
for advice on actual implementation and technical issues - simplicity, 
reproducibility (printed version), sense of relatedness to earlier logos, 
ability to survive evolution of design technology, etc. After all, you are all 
great computer whizzes but how many of you are logo/trademark designers as 
well?

I hope you don't mind my intrusion.

Ivan

Quoting Dan Ingalls <Dan at SqueakLand.org>:

> G–ran  wrote...
> >Bert Freudenberg <bert at impara.de> wrote:
> >> Am 21.02.2005 um 19:11 schrieb Pavel Krivanek:
> >> > StÈphane asked me if I can produce some stylish balloons. Here's one.
> >> > Is
> >> > there a time to update Squeak's presentation graphics?
> >>
> >> Awesome!
> >
> >What can I say, that is stylish indeed! This balloon with the new web
> >site style should look pretty good - sbut, it is not as playful anymore
> >- could we perhaps throw in some little thingy there somewhere keeping
> >that colourful playful feeling too?
> 
> I like the graphic, but I agree it could use some humanization.  I kind of
> miss the passengers, since the original concept was that the balloon was a
> vehicle.  Of course, that's all IMHO.
> 
> Quite a while ago I came across a wonderful book with a rodent hero who (I
> think) personifies the Squeaky spirit.  (I like his hat, too).  If I were an
> artist, I'd try to get him into the basket, with either a bottle of champagne
> or a telescope.  [just saw Markus G's similar thought]
> 
> Here's a link (my msg got too big and bounced when I put in a scan)...
> 	http://www.childhoodbooks.com/si/66789.html
> 
> Of course, there's a copyright on this particular image, but it's just to
> give an idea.  Helen Craig might be happy for Tyler to become a mascot.
> 
> On the other hand, it's not good to mix too many things up in art.
> 
> 	- Dan
> 
> PS:  Another thought that occurred to me a while ago was to use the common
> image of a light bulb over someone's head as a symbol for an idea.  The
> concept is to make it bigger like a hot air balloon, and show the person (or
> mouse) borne aloft by his own idea.  Again, I'm not an artist.
> 
> PPS:  These are just more ideas. Pavel's graphic is also fine, clean and
> simple, all by itself.