First of all, I would say, thath I appreciate your work..very much. I  
admire you, like I admire all the "Squeak's Masters".

This message, is for all the community.

Probably, I'm not the right person to speak, because, I'm only a  
newbie, learning this fantastic world, and I'm more an observer than  
a contributor (sad to me).

I'm concerned because in all the time I'm in this list, always thath  
the team want to improve, or do some thing to the project, the people  
thath disagree, create a fork, or don't want to help.

The forks are not good for any project. In spanish maillist (as all  
can say, my english is terrible, and there I can express me better),  
I said thath IMHO, the best thath Squeak can do, is to go to a  
minimal Squeak, and all the things has now, could be loaded. and I  
think all we need to do is help to this, because this, is for all.

Only can express my sadness, because I'm attending how this community  
is destroyed. Why all don't help? Why all only want his own  
purposses?.This is what we want to show to the newest members? a  
selfish community? The best thing we can do, if I don't like  
something, I will see to other side?

We have a board, true? This was elected by the Squeak community, and  
IMHO, the opinions of the board, could be voted by the community, and  
the community, will get a Squeak for all.

The example of Traits. Some wants Traits integrated on the image.  
Other Don't want it. Ok, a poll for this, and the community may  
respect the results.

Only is an opinion, and, as the mail you received, I didn't have the  
value courage to send it.

This mail go with good intentions, but I don't know how express me  
better, sorry.


El 02/02/2008, a las 16:36, stephane ducasse escribió:

> Hi egdar
>
> to make sure that I understand that correctly: 3.10 harvested a  
> couple of fixes (compared with the 685 mantis
> items marcus closed) and you are telling that 3.11 will in addition  
> merge everything and reconcile all the forks.
> This sounds optimistic and not really aligned with the results of  
> 3.10. Don't you think?
>
> Now a couple of weeks ago someone sent me this mail
> "Just out of curiosity...
> I wanted to write a mail, along the lines of...
> I looked into the bugs fixed in 3.10... I'm a bit confused, though,  
> because there does not seem to be much progress in 3.10 with  
> respect to bug fixing. Is Mantis up to date? Is Mantis showing what  
> I think it should (I used the date + status filters)?
>
> Below is a comparison of the number of reports for each possible  
> state in 3.9 (March 1, 2005 - Sept 30, 2006) and 3.10 (Oct 1, 2006  
> - today):
> 3.9		3.10 	status
> ----------------------------
> 276		254		new
> 19 		8		feedback
> 4		1		acknowledged
> 2		3		confirmed
> 70		111 	assigned
> 47 		10 		resolved
> 685		25 		closed
>
> ...but I did not send it (yet)"
>
> And you know the saddest part is that is not that 3.10 harvested so  
> few fixes because this can happen. The saddest part is
> that this person did not send his email because it means that  
> people get bored or at the end that we do not succeed to bring  
> their enthousiasm into the community. With this kind of attitude  
> will may lose on the long term. I like squeak because people  are  
> sharing and are enthousiast about it.
> Of course managing the image with MC does not really work for  
> streaming changes. I really hope that MC2 will solve that. Colin  
> told me that it will: MC2 will really load only the difference and  
> will not have to rescan everything. Now MC2 is not ready and may be  
> not ready.
>
> So I will do 3.9.1 because some people asked me and after I will  
> really take the time to think about where I put
> my energy. May do a call for building another fork of something  
> different from Squeak as it is now or simply do not care.
> May be other dynamic languages are more fun at the end.
>
> Stef
>