Hi Andreas

We put OB because it was before universes and the cool images  
maintained by damien and we put it because we thought
	that for a tool to get better it should be used
	to be used it should be visible.
Simple but yes we made a mistake but this was not a big one since OB  
is self contained.
We learned in the story so at the end this is not that bad. Of course  
some really smart people would not
have made this mistake, indeed!

Now if you ask me I would remove Etoy, nebraska, starSqueak, speech,  
80% of Morphic and lot more from the wonderful
squeak world.

It will come I'm sure

Stef
	

> Well, ultimately the people using 3.9 (which I'm not) should decide  
> whether to throw out OB or not. I'm just pointing out that for a  
> *maintenance* release, the removal of large chunks of code where  
> nobody knows what may depend on it is generally considered a  
> complete no-no. These kinds of issues should be decided when the  
> release is originally made (and I'll bite my tongue here not making  
> any sarcastic comments about the fact that I had argued against the  
> inclusion of OB in the 3.9 release in the first place).
>
> FWIW, I think Giovanni's proposal would be preferable to having an  
> old version of OB in 3.9.0 and none in 3.9.1.
>
> Cheers,
>  - Andreas
>
> Lukas Renggli wrote:
>> It is a very good idea.
>> The OB code in 3.9 is totally outdated. It is so old, that it is
>> impossible to just load a new version with MC. To get the latest
>> version of OB working you have to unload the old code first. I assume
>> that anybody building something with OB knows how to load the latest
>> version.
>> Lukas
>> On 2/15/08, Ken Causey <ken at kencausey.com> wrote:
>>> I agree, not a good idea for a maintenance release.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken
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>>> On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 13:46 -0800, Andreas Raab wrote:
>>> > stephane ducasse wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > + remove OB
>>> >
>>> > Does that mean that if people write code with a dependency on OB,
>>> > publish on SqueakMap as "3.9" it will fail to work in 3.9.1?  
>>> That's not
>>> > exactly my understanding of a maintenance release.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >    - Andreas
>>> >
>>> >
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